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    Able Danger/Atta Documents destroyed on order...Pentagon employee to testify...

    [B]Weldon: Atta Papers Destroyed on Orders

    By DONNA DE LA CRUZ
    The Associated Press
    Thursday, September 15, 2005; 6:50 PM[/B]

    WASHINGTON -- A Pentagon employee was ordered to destroy documents that identified Mohamed Atta as a terrorist two years before the 2001 attacks, a congressman said Thursday.

    The employee is prepared to testify next week before the Senate Judiciary Committee and was expected to name the person who ordered him to destroy the large volume of documents, said Rep. Curt Weldon, R-Pa.


    Weldon declined to name the employee, citing confidentiality matters. Weldon described the documents as "2.5 terabytes" _ as much as one-fourth of all the printed materials in the Library of Congress, he added.

    A Senate Judiciary Committee aide said the witnesses for Wednesday's hearing had not been finalized and could not confirm Weldon's comments.

    A message left Thursday with a Pentagon spokesman, Army Maj. Paul Swiergosz, was not immediately returned.

    Weldon has said that Atta, the mastermind of the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, and three other hijackers were identified in 1999 by a classified military intelligence unit known as "Able Danger," which determined they could be members of an al-Qaida cell.

    On Wednesday, former members of the Sept. 11 commission dismissed the "Able Danger" assertions. One commissioner, ex-Sen. Slade Gorton, R-Wash., said, "Bluntly, it just didn't happen and that's the conclusion of all 10 of us."

    Weldon responded angrily to Gorton's assertions.

    "It's absolutely unbelievable that a commission would say this program just didn't exist," Weldon said Thursday.

    Pentagon officials said this month they had found three more people who recall an intelligence chart identifying Atta as a terrorist prior to the Sept. 11 attacks.

    Two military officers, Army Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer and Navy Capt. Scott Phillpott, have come forward to support Weldon's claims.

    [url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/15/AR2005091501860.html[/url]

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    2.5 Terrabytes? That is a lot of F'ing data. WTF could they possibly have captured that would equal 2.5TBs? Maybe the al Queda cells were transferring porn back to their more restrictive homelands.

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    Boy, the libs sure don't want to talk about the 9/11 commission that much anymore.



    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY][b]Weldon: Atta Papers Destroyed on Orders[/b]

    [b]By DONNA DE LA CRUZ[/b]
    [b]The Associated Press[/b]
    [b]Thursday, September 15, 2005; 6:50 PM[/b]

    WASHINGTON -- A Pentagon employee was ordered to destroy documents that identified Mohamed Atta as a terrorist two years before the 2001 attacks, a congressman said Thursday.

    The employee is prepared to testify next week before the Senate Judiciary Committee and was expected to name the person who ordered him to destroy the large volume of documents, said Rep. Curt Weldon, R-Pa.


    Weldon declined to name the employee, citing confidentiality matters. Weldon described the documents as "2.5 terabytes" _ as much as one-fourth of all the printed materials in the Library of Congress, he added.

    A Senate Judiciary Committee aide said the witnesses for Wednesday's hearing had not been finalized and could not confirm Weldon's comments.

    A message left Thursday with a Pentagon spokesman, Army Maj. Paul Swiergosz, was not immediately returned.

    Weldon has said that Atta, the mastermind of the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, and three other hijackers were identified in 1999 by a classified military intelligence unit known as "Able Danger," which determined they could be members of an al-Qaida cell.

    On Wednesday, former members of the Sept. 11 commission dismissed the "Able Danger" assertions. One commissioner, ex-Sen. Slade Gorton, R-Wash., said, "Bluntly, it just didn't happen and that's the conclusion of all 10 of us."

    Weldon responded angrily to Gorton's assertions.

    "It's absolutely unbelievable that a commission would say this program just didn't exist," Weldon said Thursday.

    Pentagon officials said this month they had found three more people who recall an intelligence chart identifying Atta as a terrorist prior to the Sept. 11 attacks.

    Two military officers, Army Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer and Navy Capt. Scott Phillpott, have come forward to support Weldon's claims.

    [url="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/15/AR2005091501860.html"]http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/15/AR2005091501860.html[/url][/QUOTE]

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    [QUOTE=Section109Row15]2.5 Terrabytes? That is a lot of F'ing data. WTF could they possibly have captured that would equal 2.5TBs? Maybe the al Queda cells were transferring porn back to their more restrictive homelands.[/QUOTE]

    The way AD found all this stuff was via data mining, in which case 2.5tb ain't that bad.

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    why bother pretending like you guys wish 9-11 didn't happen?? seriously?

    Im sure on a personal level we all wish it didn't happen but politically 9-11 won Bush a second term.

    the day after 9-11 was the best day of Bush's Presidency. No one loved Bush as much as that day and no one will ever love him that much again.

    without 9-11 there would be no endless and oh so successful war on terror.

    So let's cut the BS you guys owe the incompetant clinton administration a debt of gratitude. Without 9-11 he's just a lazy fatcat defending corporate interest. After 9-11 he's defending America.

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    Clinton KNEW (to coin a popular demorat phrase) ABOUT ATTA IN ADVANCE of 9/11 ... and did nothing.!

    [QUOTE=bitonti]why bother pretending like you guys wish 9-11 didn't happen??


    the day after 9-11 was the best day of Bush's Presidency. No one loved Bush as much as that day and no one will ever love him that much again.

    without 9-11 there would be no endless and oh so successful war on terror.

    So let's cut the BS you guys owe the incompetant clinton administration a debt of gratitude. Without 9-11 he's just a lazy fatcat defending corporate interest. After 9-11 he's defending America.[/QUOTE]

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    [QUOTE=inchadwetrust]Clinton KNEW (to coin a popular demorat phrase) ABOUT ATTA IN ADVANCE of 9/11 ... and did nothing.![/QUOTE]


    good you guys should be happy. New Yorkers feel the pain of 9-11. for guys like Bush, 9-11 was pennies from heaven.

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    [QUOTE=bitonti]good you guys should be happy. New Yorkers feel the pain of 9-11. for guys like Bush, 9-11 was pennies from heaven.[/QUOTE]
    That is a ridiculous thing to say. I hope you don't really feel that way; every painful experience in America should not be politicized, as difficult as that may be.

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    [QUOTE=quantum]The way AD found all this stuff was via data mining, in which case 2.5tb ain't that bad.[/QUOTE]

    Aint that bad? You would have to saturate a broadband dsl/cable connection for a few months to transfer that much data. Assuming normal use and not saturation, we could be talking about 5+ years of data transferred. Let alone we are talking about 1999, the largest hard drives were only 60-80gigs. 2.5TB is a little more than 31 80 gig drives.

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    [QUOTE=jetswin]That is a ridiculous thing to say. I hope you don't really feel that way; every painful experience in America should not be politicized, as difficult as that may be.[/QUOTE]

    I agree- but can anyone imagine a successful Bush Presidency without 9/11?

    the events of that day gave him a 40 point boost in the approval ratings to the highest level in the history of such polls.

    it gave him an enemy to focus everyone's attention on and carte blanche to spend like crazy, push all of his agenda and even go to war -

    without 9/11 Bush is a one term wonder.

    like i said personally new yorkers all feel the pain and even know people close to them that died - but for beltway insiders 9/11 was the best day in the entire Bush Presidency. It completely changed the texture of his presidency.

    Prior to that point where was George Bush politically? no where.

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    [QUOTE=bitonti]I agree- but can anyone imagine a successful Bush Presidency without 9/11?

    the events of that day gave him a 40 point boost in the approval ratings to the highest level in the history of such polls.

    it gave him an enemy to focus everyone's attention on and carte blanche to spend like crazy, push all of his agenda and even go to war -

    without 9/11 Bush is a one term wonder.

    like i said personally new yorkers all feel the pain and even know people close to them that died - but for beltway insiders 9/11 was the best day in the entire Bush Presidency. It completely changed the texture of his presidency.

    Prior to that point where was George Bush politically? no where.[/QUOTE]

    Even I welled up when he stood on the rubble and told that guy that he can hear him and the terrorists will be hearing from all of us very soon. I was actually happy a Republican was in office because I wanted revenge. Sadly he never followed through on his promises and after calming down I got more perspective.

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    [QUOTE=bitonti]why bother pretending like you guys wish 9-11 didn't happen?? seriously?

    Im sure on a personal level we all wish it didn't happen but politically 9-11 won Bush a second term.

    the day after 9-11 was the best day of Bush's Presidency. No one loved Bush as much as that day and no one will ever love him that much again.

    without 9-11 there would be no endless and oh so successful war on terror.

    So let's cut the BS you guys owe the incompetant clinton administration a debt of gratitude. Without 9-11 he's just a lazy fatcat defending corporate interest. After 9-11 he's defending America.[/QUOTE]

    Feel free to ignore the negative economic impact 9-11 had on the economy, which became a big criticism of Bush. Without 9-11 (and the ensuing war on terror) the economy would likely have been stronger and the deficit smaller.

    Bush still probably would have been re-elected.

    But thanks again for your typical half-story.

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    as an aside this is why Katrina is the anti-9/11 for Bush - there's no one to blame - there's no bullhorn moment in the rubble. You can't declare war on nature (although it is fun to think about)

    [IMG]http://www.salon.com/comics/tomo/2005/09/05/tomo/story.jpg[/IMG]

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    [QUOTE=bitonti]I agree- but can anyone imagine a successful Bush Presidency without 9/11?

    the events of that day gave him a 40 point boost in the approval ratings to the highest level in the history of such polls.

    it gave him an enemy to focus everyone's attention on and carte blanche to spend like crazy, push all of his agenda and even go to war -

    without 9/11 Bush is a one term wonder.

    like i said personally new yorkers all feel the pain and even know people close to them that died - but for beltway insiders 9/11 was the best day in the entire Bush Presidency. It completely changed the texture of his presidency.

    Prior to that point where was George Bush politically? no where.[/QUOTE]
    I can't agree with what you are saying, 9/11 changed the world, in addition to Bush's presidency. You cannot make statements about where Bush would be, or what our Country would be. History was changed that day, and just like you can't predict the future, it is impossible to rewrite history.

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    [QUOTE=bitonti]good you guys should be happy. New Yorkers feel the pain of 9-11. for guys like Bush, 9-11 was pennies from heaven.[/QUOTE]

    hey bitonti- as someone who lost a friend on 9-11 and supports the President...go fuq yourself you POS-

    You are nothing more then a mindless, follow the leftist dribble sheep with his head up his a$s.

    Maybe if your party had candidates worth their weight in dogsh!t they'd have a chance at the polls...oh, wait, I forgot- Martin Sheen would be a good candidate!

    [IMG]http://www.coxandforkum.com/archives/ClintonLegacyII-X.gif[/IMG]
    Last edited by Come Back to NY; 09-16-2005 at 11:19 AM.

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    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY]hey bitonti- as someone who lost a friend on 9-11

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    I feel your pain CBNY, I lost a best friend, along with countless other friends, and barely got out of WTC1.

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    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY]hey bitonti- as someone who lost a friend on 9-11 and supports the President...go fuq yourself you POS-

    You are nothing more then a mindless, follow the leftist dribble sheep with his head up his a$s.[/QUOTE]


    Hey CBNY thanks i really appreciate that.

    You lost a friend in 9/11 that's horrible and I never said that 9/11 wasn't personally painful.

    Im talking about politics.

    You are the one making it personal both for you and for me.

    It's like because people died I'm not allowed to talk about 9/11 in anything but Personal terms?

    the same blind anger that you feel about losing your friend is the same blind unthinking anger that allowed this country to start a war it can't win.

    we can talk like mature adults or we can talk like street thugs, that's your choice. Let me know if you ever want to talk like adults.
    Last edited by bitonti; 09-16-2005 at 12:15 PM.

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    [QUOTE=bitonti]Hey CBNY thanks i really appreciate that.

    You lost a friend in 9/11 that's horrible and I never said that 9/11 wasn't personally painful.

    Im talking about politics.

    [B]You are the one making it personal both for you and for me. [/B] [/QUOTE]

    Read your own posts hypocrite:

    [QUOTE=bitonti][B]why bother pretending like you guys wish 9-11 didn't happen?? seriously? [/B]

    Im sure on a personal level we all wish it didn't happen but politically 9-11 won Bush a second term.

    the day after 9-11 was the best day of Bush's Presidency. No one loved Bush as much as that day and no one will ever love him that much again.

    without 9-11 there would be no endless and oh so successful war on terror.

    So let's cut the BS you guys owe the incompetant clinton administration a debt of gratitude. Without 9-11 he's just a lazy fatcat defending corporate interest. After 9-11 he's defending America.[/QUOTE]

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    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY]Read your own posts hypocrite:[/QUOTE]

    ohh the name calling just keeps on coming. did you read the next line? if so do you disagree?

    Personally it was horrible. No question.

    Politically Bush without 9/11 is nothing special. 9/11 turned him into a wartime president, which played to his strengths. Without 9/11 where would Bush be?

    If you can't talk about this issue because it's too close to your heart to seperate personal loss from political gain that's understandable and again I am saddened by your loss and pray for both you and the family of your friend.

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    [QUOTE=bitonti]ohh the name calling just keeps on coming. did you read the next line? if so do you disagree?

    Personally it was horrible. No question.

    Politically Bush without 9/11 is nothing special. 9/11 turned him into a wartime president, which played to his strengths. Without 9/11 where would Bush be?

    If you can't talk about this issue because it's too close to your heart to seperate personal loss from political gain that's understandable and again I am saddened by your loss and pray for both you and the family of your friend.[/QUOTE]

    of course the second line meant nothing to many an air-headed lib last November (many on this board) and still doesn't today as it was "homosexual fearing Christians" who got President Bush re-elected, not 9-11.

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