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    Leberfeld says "Go with Tice"

    Makes sense to me! I had a Tice for HC thread a few days ago. Leberfeld must have read it!

    Dan Leberfeld
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    To me, the decision is a no-brainer.

    When you look at the list of candidates the Jets are interviewing for their head coaching position, the choice is clear. Mike Tice to the Jets is a match right out of Central Casting.

    The former Minnesota Vikings coach is Long Island born-and-raised, New York tough and armed with four years of head coaching experience under very tough circumstances.

    The Jets job, one of the most difficult in the NFL, isn't too big for the 6-foot-8, 290-pound Central Islip native with that "what are you looking at" expression on his face.

    Discipline went by the wayside the last few years under the laissez-faire approach of Herm Edwards. The Jets need a coach willing to get in a player's face if need be.

    "I would want someone to come in and be a little more forceful, a little more of disciplinarian, put the hammer down-type of coach," Jets center Kevin Mawae told The New York Post.



    Tice does not have a problem getting in the face of players. (AP)
    "I loved playing for Herm and his style of coaching, but I think our team is a young team that needs a little bit more of a thumb-down on the guys kind of deal."
    Tice is that guy. The night before the Vikings' last game of the season against Chicago, starting cornerback Fred Smoot was late for bed-check, and Tice benched him. The cornerback begged Tice on the sideline to let him back in the game, but the coach wouldn't bend.

    The Jets need a coach who will force the players to work out or fine them, something Edwards wouldn't do. And guess what? The Jets were one of the worst-conditioned teams in football last year. Tice is the kind of coach that will bring accountability to the weight room.

    So you say, "What about the 'Love Boat' scandal?" where several Vikings were charged with lewd behavior on a charted boat. To blame Tice for this is ridiculous. What do you want him to do, hold their hands when they are away from the complex on an off-day?

    The only Viking scandal you can blame Tice for is the ticket-scalping controversy. He sold some Super Bowl tickets a few years ago, and the league fined him $100,000. This was wrong, but if you knew how many players and coaches scalp their tickets (they all get two), it would blow your mind.

    This was like Martha Stewart going to jail for inside trading. Tons of people do it, but it was Stewart that they made an example of.

    One reason Tice probably resorted to selling his tickets was he was the lowest paid head coach in the league. He made just $750,000 his first few years with the Vikings, and then was bumped up to $1 million, a pittance for an NFL coach.

    And the frugality of former Vikings owner Red McCombs is another reason why Tice would likely be a lot more successful with the Jets, than the Vikings. McCombs made it very tough to win.

    One reason the Vikings might have had some off-the-field issues is that McCombs fired the team's security department to save money. The Vikings weren't doing the same background checks on players that other teams were doing, and
    that leads to draft-day selections like running back Ontario Smith, he of "Whizzinator" fame.

    Did you know why McCombs finally spent some money on free agents last offseason? Well, the Vikings were so far under the cap, they violated the collective bargaining agreement. Just like there is a cap on what you can spend, there
    is a minimum as well.

    "The Vikings were run on the cheap under Red," said a person close to the Vikings. "McCombs cut back when he saw he wasn't going to get a new stadium. He had no team president, no GM, no director of player personnel."

    Former Vikings offensive coordinator Scott Linehan, one of the best in the business, had no contract last offseason, and McCombs would only give him a one-year deal. Linehan went to Miami where he got the long-term security he wanted, and the owner forced Tice to promote form within and not add another salary. Offensive line coach Steve Loney was forced to handle the line and the play-calling. It was too much for him, and the offense floundered.

    If Tice came to the Jets, he would have much more support, and this would help him become an even better coach. Hey, the Jets are reportedly $30 million over the cap, so spending clearly isn't an issue.

    And Tice wouldn't have a problem keeping some of the key Jets' assistants, specifically offensive coordinator Mike Heimerdinger and special teams coordinator Mike Westhoff. This is very significant. They are both top-shelf coaches, and this would allow the Jets to keep two-thirds of their systems intact.

    If the Jets keep throwing new playbooks at their players, they will never catch the New England Patriots, who are all about continuity. Anybody that thinks it's easy for NFL players to pick up new systems quickly is kidding themselves. Playbooks these days resemble War and Peace.

    Defensive coordinator Donnie Henderson likely won't be back with the team, so maybe they could promote secondary coach Corwin Brown to defensive coordinator, and perhaps keep that system intact as well. He's a Bill Parcells-Bill Belichick disciple, who seems ready for the challenge.

    Speaking of Parcells-Belichick disciples, some NFL sources are claiming that Belichick's defensive coordinator Eric Mangini is at the top of the Jets list. I don't like this idea.



    Mangini's age should be taken into consideration. (AP)
    First of all, he's too young--he's 35, but looks 25. It's very easy to discipline players when Belichick has your back. But it could be a problem for a guy so young, who doesn't seem to have Jon Gruden's personality, to lord over 53 pro football players. David Shula was close in age to Mangini when he took over the Cincinnati Bengals, and the players didn't respect him, even with the famous last name.
    And Mangini could have a hard time putting together a coaching staff. He doesn't know a lot of people around the league. He's only worked for Belichick and Parcells, and they certainly aren't going to let him raid their staffs.

    This could be a big problem. Plus, why would the Jets want to hire a protege of Belichick after the Patriots coach left them at the altar in 2000, breaking his contract to go to New England.

    Now the Jets want a chip off the Belichick block. C'mon Jets, have some pride-- don't beg the top assistant of the man who screwed you to now take over your team. The Jets would basically be saying, "If you can't beat them, join them."

    Mangini is now the hot media candidate, but Jets GM Terry Bradway has to ignore this factor. He can't hire Mangini to make a splash in the papers, to get reporters off his back. It doesn't matter who the media wants. Their expertise is journalism, not evaluating coaches.

    Bradway needs to take a page from the best executive in New York sports, Lou Lamoriello of the New Jersey Devils. He couldn't care less what the media or fans think of his decisions. He's going to do what he thinks is best for his team. Lamoriello knows that in the long run, it's about winning, not instant gratification.

    And you know who is good at evaluating coaches--Mr. Parcells, and two league sources told me that he's a fan of Tice.

    The Jets don't need a head coaching novice like Mangini learning on the job.

    Tice has the head-coaching experience, which can't be minimized. He also showed a lot of growth on the job.

    "I think he's improved greatly as a game-day coach," said the source close to the Vikings. "His clock management was bad his first two years, and he got better than last two years. He got better at replay challenges. I think he's improved on game day."

    And he's the right coach at the right time for the New York Jets.

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    NO RETREADS

    Please Give this Job to Heimerdinger

    I can even accept Mangini, but please no retreads!

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    Tice Tice TICE!!!! You are kidding me!!!! You say TICE shouldn't be blamed for what happned well guess what in NY you get blamed for what your players do!!!!! Ask Herm about John Abraham and how many fans said that this was an inindication of just how out of control the JETS WERE!!!

    Now you are telling me that players who are out of control who could face sexual charges under the Vikings "boat party" are not an indication of whether or not the team was out of control...... GGOD GRIEF!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MileHiJetMan
    One reason Tice probably resorted to selling his tickets was he was the lowest paid head coach in the league. He made just $750,000 his first few years with the Vikings, and then was bumped up to $1 million, a pittance for an NFL coach.


    LOL.

    are you kidding me? this is really reaching..

    I honestly dont know enough about Tice to say we should or shouldn't hire him... but most of what i've seen/heard isnt that impressive.

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    Leberfeld is out of this planet. He thinks our ship -with a team with no disciplinary problems and the least penalties in the league - was too loose, and we need to look towards the Vikings - which were literally an insane asylum - for help.

    Leberfeld's dream team is Mike Tice coaching, Brooks Bollinger throwing, and Cedric Houston running.

    The man is the most clueless football writer in the country.

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    What the F is wrong with Dinger I don't get it

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    Quote Originally Posted by MileHiJetMan

    One reason Tice probably resorted to selling his tickets was he was the lowest paid head coach in the league. He made just $750,000 his first few years with the Vikings, and then was bumped up to $1 million, a pittance for an NFL coach.
    He only made $750,000? Geez, how did he even afford to eat? You know, the government should really do something for the downtrodden like Tice out there.

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    Mike Tice is a taller version of Rich Kotite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JacobZ

    Leberfeld is out of this planet. He thinks our ship -with a team with no disciplinary problems and the least penalties in the league - was too loose, and we need to look towards the Vikings - which were literally an insane asylum - for help.

    Leberfeld's dream team is Mike Tice coaching, Brooks Bollinger throwing, and Cedric Houston running.

    The man is the most clueless football writer in the country.
    I hear you, Jacob ... lately he's had some pretty bizarre ideas

    I agree with Carl Banks ...

    He said Tice's teams have actually UNDER-ACHIEVED and that hiring him would be a "disaster" ... and he offered this advice as someone who considers himself a friend of Woody's
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    Unanamously agreed - NO TICE!!

    By the way, it's hysterically funny that Tice needed to scalp his tickets because he was only making $750,000! Poor baby! Did he need the money from the tickets to feed his family? PUH LEEZE!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by YoungJetsFan

    Mike Tice is a taller version of Rich Kotite.
    I AGREE ... Very Kotite'esque

    I can Just hear Leon Hess now, and easily transfer that to Tice

    "Rich Kotite {Tice} is a NY Guy .. a dese and dose guy .. Just what we need to be the head of the Jets family"

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    Leberfield is the monarch of the "Archie Bunker" portion of our fan base...

    They know a helluva lot about nothing, and your opinion means nothing (even if you agree).........Tice fits their protype. Neighborhood boy, who makes mean faces and shows disgust on the sidelines. He'll even stop by the old OTB to hook the family up with his extra tickets (At a slight cost ).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Jets & Ham
    NO RETREADS

    Please Give this Job to Heimerdinger

    I can even accept Mangini, but please no retreads!
    I 100% agree!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Normdajetsfan
    Unanamously agreed - NO TICE!!

    By the way, it's hysterically funny that Tice needed to scalp his tickets because he was only making $750,000! Poor baby! Did he need the money from the tickets to feed his family? PUH LEEZE!!!
    Yes, that was a strange comment.

    But Leberfeld is on the inside, and his comments about Mangini makes perfect sense. You really want to kiss Mumbles' *** again? "Please, Mr. Belichick, let us hire your protege..We'll grease up this time."

    No thanks.

    Besides, what if the Pats make the Super Bowl? If Mangini changes his mind, we're screwed again. Plus, all the decent OCs and DCs will be gone.

    If we cannot get Tice, I would hire 'Dinger.

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    ... tice is a baffoon ... ...


    ... the worst possible move would be to hire him ...



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    Tice looks like he should be coaching high school. I feel for the people that have to interact with your intelligence on a daily basis. Mangini or Donnie nuff said...

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    Head coaches can be stolen, for a price.

    Look at Herm, look at Gruden, look at Holmgren.....

    All this stuff about a 12 year old first year defensive coordinator in New England and all these retread couldn't-cut-it-with-Cullpepper-and-Moss types.....enough.

    Go strap on the testicles and go swipe someone stellar for big bucks. Just blew $70 million on a stadium witch-hunt, so go blow $15 million on a proven Super Bowl head coach like Gruden, Shanahan, Belicheck, or Fox. Anyone but Dungy, loser.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MileHiJetMan
    Makes sense to me! I had a Tice for HC thread a few days ago. Leberfeld must have read it!

    Dan Leberfeld
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    Jan 13, 2006

    To me, the decision is a no-brainer.

    When you look at the list of candidates the Jets are interviewing for their head coaching position, the choice is clear. Mike Tice to the Jets is a match right out of Central Casting.

    The former Minnesota Vikings coach is Long Island born-and-raised, New York tough and armed with four years of head coaching experience under very tough circumstances.


    And he's the right coach at the right time for the New York Jets.

    Maybe its just the fact that he seems dumb as bricks which is very similar to what just left.

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    He's 35 but he looks 25. Tell that to Bill Gates...

    This Leberfeld guy is a hoot. I think we should be actively pursuing King Kong. He's about thirty-five feet tall, his only boating experience wasn't pretty, and he's good at knocking down high flying objects. Just imagine the respect he'll garner from those big bad players. Time management? No problem. He'll just smash the clock and dare somebody to fix it! I've never seen so much reasoning from emotion. Forget Tice, but more importantly, don't waste any time on that buffoon Leberfeld....

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    Quote Originally Posted by long island leprechaun
    This Leberfeld guy is a hoot. I think we should be actively pursuing King Kong. He's about thirty-five feet tall, his only boating experience wasn't pretty, and he's good at knocking down high flying objects. Just imagine the respect he'll garner from those big bad players. Time management? No problem. He'll just smash the clock and dare somebody to fix it! I've never seen so much reasoning from emotion. Forget Tice, but more importantly, don't waste any time on that buffoon Leberfeld....
    I have a question, who the hell is Dan Leberfeld?

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