View Poll Results: Which rumored Abraham deal would you want the Jets to do?

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  • Abe and the #4 overall to the Texans for the #1 overall and 3rd rounder.

    69 21.23%
  • John Abraham traded to the Denver Broncos for their #22 overall pick and a 4th round draft choice.

    188 57.85%
  • Keep John Abraham, I don't like either either trade

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Thread: Which rumored deal is best for the Jets?

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    Arrow Which rumored deal is best for the Jets?

    Lets see what Jet fans think is the best for the team.
    Last edited by CarlSpackler; 02-27-2006 at 10:57 AM.

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    neither rumor included the picks you included.

    If we traded up with the texans WE would have to give other picks as well as JA.

    That Denver trade you mentioned is amazing value IMO. I would do it in a second.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarlSpackler
    John Abraham traded to the Texans with our #4 overall pick for the first selection in this years draft and a 3rd round selection this year.

    John Abraham traded to the Denver Broncos for their #22 overall pick and a 4th round draft choice.

    Keep John Abraham, I don't like either either trade

    Whered you get those details on the Denver trade????

    I would have to say that I like the Denver trade better (even though I still don't like it that much). It just doesnt seem right to jump up and grab someone at #1 who might just be there if we sit at #4. With #4, #22, and I would guess #36???... thats almost like have 3 1st rounders to rebuild. It almost worked out with the Class of 2000... maybe the Jets will do it better in 2006

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    I'd go for the Denver deal - not a big fan of undersized RB's.

    I have a feeling there are other teams involved as well (i.e. Washington, Detroit).

    I'd rather have the 4 & the 22 than the 1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarlSpackler
    John Abraham traded to the Texans with our #4 overall pick for the first selection in this years draft and a 3rd round selection this year.

    John Abraham traded to the Denver Broncos for their #22 overall pick and a 4th round draft choice.

    Keep John Abraham, I don't like either either trade
    If I had to chose between those two, I take the Denver trade, keep the number 4 pick.
    Take D'Brick at 4 and hope LenDale White is available at 22, that's a great first round.

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    Broncos are rumored to need a pass rusher. They have 2 firsts. "Jets are seeking 1st round pick". This is conjecture but not unwarranted. Both have been rumored but didn't make sense to me, so I added in the late round picks to balance it out.

    "It is not known what the Jets are seeking in return for Abraham, but any trade would certainly have to include a first-round draft choice. Abraham might be able to force the hand of the cap-strapped Jets by signing the qualifying offer, which would guarantee the money. The $8.33 million already counts against the New York cap for 2006, but guaranteeing the money might be a tough swallow for a club facing a major overhaul because of a debilitating cap overage"

    this is from the ESPN article.

    the highlighted part certainly speaks volumes about Abraham's respect around the league and his value.
    Last edited by CarlSpackler; 02-27-2006 at 11:03 AM.

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    The #1 pick trade is a steal.

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    I think we will probably trade Abe to Cleveland for there 12th overall pick. Denver wont have the cap room to sign both Abe and Owens, and keep one of their #1's. Washington is in cap hell, worse than we are, and will have a hard time signing Abe to a long term deal. Look for Cleveland who has solid cap space to give up their 12th for Abe and one of our 3rd rounders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kazrell
    I think we will probably trade Abe to Cleveland for there 12th overall pick. Denver wont have the cap room to sign both Abe and Owens, and keep one of their #1's. Washington is in cap hell, worse than we are, and will have a hard time signing Abe to a long term deal. Look for Cleveland who has solid cap space to give up their 12th for Abe and one of our 3rd rounders.
    Washington also doesn't have a #1 pick this year.

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    i like the potential trade to denver!

    Take Mario Williams at #4 and then the best LT prospect at #22.

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    I like the Texans trade. We get another third rounder and the #1 pick.

    I'd draft Bush with the #1.

    A nasty, mauling RT with our 2nd.

    Charlie Whitehurst (or Brodie Croyle if he's available) with the Texans' 3rd.

    A Center/Guard with our 3rd.

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    What needs to be made clear here is that, in a vacuum, any Abraham trade is going to suck.

    John Abraham is a dominant pass rusher in the prime of his career. It is nearly impossible to get value in return for trading away such a player.

    The only reason we would ever trade him is if it is financially impracticable to keep him; if forced to do so, the only acceptable outcome is getting Matt Leinart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ikeyman3
    The #1 pick trade is a steal.
    Trading an all-pro DE and the number 4 overall for the number one is a steal? For the Texans maybe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by klecko73god
    Trading an all-pro DE and the number 4 overall for the number one is a steal? For the Texans maybe.
    Look at the Eli Manning trade, the G-Men gave up the #4 pick and a 3th along with next years 1 and 5.

    Is John Abraham worth this years 3rd, next years 1st and 5th?

    And in that deal we are getting a 3rd round pick as well. That deal is a no-brainer in value for Abe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ikeyman3
    Look at the Eli Manning trade, the G-Men gave up the #4 pick and a 3th along with next years 1 and 5.

    Is John Abraham worth this years 3rd, next years 1st and 5th?

    And in that deal we are getting a 3rd round pick as well. That deal is a no-brainer in value for Abe.
    And Eli's been sooooo good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by klecko73god
    And Eli's been sooooo good.
    That wasn't the point, I was talking in the value in the trade. That would be maximizing Abe's trade value.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ikeyman3
    Look at the Eli Manning trade, the G-Men gave up the #4 pick and a 3th along with next years 1 and 5.

    Is John Abraham worth this years 3rd, next years 1st and 5th?

    And in that deal we are getting a 3rd round pick as well. That deal is a no-brainer in value for Abe.
    To be fair, the Chargers played hardball and took Eli #1. This put the Giants in a pressure spot. Its not secret that Accorsi would do whatever he could to get Manning.

    Its different this year, the Texans want to take a guy who will be there at our pick and don't have a need for Reggie Bush or Matt Leinart.

    Also we're talking about trading a pro bowl calibre pass rush specialist hitting his prime, he's worth a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ikeyman3
    That wasn't the point, I was talking in the value in the trade. That would be maximizing Abe's trade value.
    To me maximizing his value means ending up with two first-round picks. Moving up three spots and adding a third-rounder does not accomplish this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarlSpackler
    Broncos are rumored to need a pass rusher. They have 2 firsts. "Jets are seeking 1st round pick". This is conjecture but not unwarranted. Both have been rumored but didn't make sense to me, so I added in the late round picks to balance it out.

    "It is not known what the Jets are seeking in return for Abraham, but any trade would certainly have to include a first-round draft choice. Abraham might be able to force the hand of the cap-strapped Jets by signing the qualifying offer, which would guarantee the money. The $8.33 million already counts against the New York cap for 2006, but guaranteeing the money might be a tough swallow for a club facing a major overhaul because of a debilitating cap overage"

    this is from the ESPN article.

    the highlighted part certainly speaks volumes about Abraham's respect around the league and his value.

    Carl, your really speculating here and its leading to others being misinformed.

    Yes the broncos have two first round picks, what makes you think there going to trade then HIGHER one AND another draft pick? Theres no chance of that happening.

    And Where do you get the texans and Jets trade. If your going to make up a trade value from 4-->1, base it on the trade that went down most recently, not somthing made up.

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    I voted to keep Abe. I get very confused about the cap situation when I here it. But, if it's at all feasible I still think keeping the only "gamechanger" on our defense is the move.


    Trading him to get one player and another pick to get the all powerfull Reggie Bush is at best wishful thinking. We need bodies to fill holes right now. A 2 for 1 deal sucks if you need bodies like we do. Not to mention the freakish contract Bush would require. So far we still have the 3 running backs from last year. So room isn't being made fir him either.

    The Denver deal sounds better to me. I like getting the extra. All I've been hearing from the draftnics is thr tremendous wealth of talent this year. So an early 1st a late 1st and a late late 1st is what our 2nd would be is the equivelent of 3 first rounders. Sounds like rebuilding to me.

    So if we do and I don't want to dump Abe. I hope the deal resembles the Denver type. I like the Cleveland scenario as well.

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