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    Last Day Of Workouts at The Combine

    Tuesday February 28th 2006,

    Linebackers and Defensive Backs:

    This is a strong group. The defensive players in this draft have been impressive the last few days. There's talk of maybe 4 to 6 LB's going in the first round. That's when you factor in the tweeners. The guys who were college DE's who project to OLB in The 3-4 in the pros. Guys like Manny Lawson.

    Thus far today, Thomas Howard from UTEP has looked good. He ran a 4.42 in The 40 at 239 pounds. Teams are thinking about him as a safety. Could be the perfect cover 2 linebacker. 3 down linebacker. Jon Alston from Stanford, also ran well. 4.40 in The 40. Ernie Sims from FSU is getting alot of pub and he ran well too at 4.50.

    D'Qwell Jackson only ran a 4.78. The LB's are going through position drills right now. The players working right now are Chad Greenway(Iowa), A.J. Hawk (Ohio State), Abdul Hodge(Iowa), Rocky Mcintosh(The U), Spencer Havner(UCLA) etc

    Thus far, A.J. Nicholson has had the worst day of any of The LB prospects in this draft. He's got character issues and he's had poor workouts today.

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    Jon Alston (Stanford) is doing well in the pass rush drills. Has good first step and is a possibility for 3-4 teams as an edge rusher. 16 sacks last year.

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    Havner and Hawk are interesting because they are supposed to be strong in coverage. Hawk IMO, might have trouble in the NFL when he finds TEs with a tremendous height advantage.

    Although most think our LBing is a set, strong point, it is not.

    Vilma is a solid football player. He plateau'ed quick in the NFL, reaching a very height of his potential. I think he will continue to get better, but only in increments. He'll have many great seasons I'm sure. I'm amazed how quickly he commanded his potential. He is the bastion of our LBing corps.

    Barton missed almost the entire last year. He was a strong, dominating persona and a good fundamental LB. But will he be the same after recovery? After missing so much football?

    Hobson is a disappointment. He should be re-evaluated. He should be forced to compete for the Sam LBing spot.

    Who else do we have at LB? Mark Brown?

    And the DB-field is even worse. Barrett's play is moody. Miller's raw. Coleman fell off a little after a stout first year. And Rhodes played decent. Overall, we're losing our best CB in Law, and once again do not possess a true #1 CB. Our safety play has been spotty at best, with tons of missed assignments, tackles, and lack of quick reaction in reading plays.

    In order to be a dominating defense, we need to address LBer and CB.

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    Any news on Bobby Carpenter? He's a guy who I think would be a good fit for us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Vader
    Havner and Hawk are interesting because they are supposed to be strong in coverage. Hawk IMO, might have trouble in the NFL when he finds TEs with a tremendous height advantage.

    Although most think our LBing is a set, strong point, it is not.

    Vilma is a solid football player. He plateau'ed quick in the NFL, reaching a very height of his potential. I think he will continue to get better, but only in increments. He'll have many great seasons I'm sure. I'm amazed how quickly he commanded his potential. He is the bastion of our LBing corps.

    Barton missed almost the entire last year. He was a strong, dominating persona and a good fundamental LB. But will he be the same after recovery? After missing so much football?

    Hobson is a disappointment. He should be re-evaluated. He should be forced to compete for the Sam LBing spot.

    Who else do we have at LB? Mark Brown?

    And the DB-field is even worse. Barrett's play is moody. Miller's raw. Coleman fell off a little after a stout first year. And Rhodes played decent. Overall, we're losing our best CB in Law, and once again do not possess a true #1 CB. Our safety play has been spotty at best, with tons of missed assignments, tackles, and lack of quick reaction in reading plays.

    In order to be a dominating defense, we need to address LBer and CB.
    I expect Hobson to go inside in The 3-4 but his spot isn't guaranteed. He can play over The TE in The 4-3 at OLB. He's a real strong LB but he lacks foot speed and can't cover.

    Barton has the ability to play outside and inside and can cover. He has a nasty streak which is a good thing. He's the Jets most athletic OLB but I don't know is he has edge rushing ability.

    The Jets need edge rushers. With John Abraham most likely being dealt, In The 3-4, The pass rush has to come from your OLB's. Mark Brown is a solid and versatile player. Whether or not, he sticks with the new coaching staff. That remains to be seen.

    The Jets could certainly use some help at LB and DB as you mentioned. Jets need a intimidating force at safety and some speed at CB. The Jets CB's arer very physical and good open field tacklers in Barrett, Strait and even Justin Miller. Rhodes is a great athlete and can cover alot of ground. Coleman is The Jets smartest defensive back but he's not a great athlete. There is talent here to play with though.

    As for Hawk and Havner. Hawk looked good in his pass rush drills. Workouts don't do him justice. He's better on gamedays than he is in practice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Normdajetsfan
    Any news on Bobby Carpenter? He's a guy who I think would be a good fit for us.
    He skipped the workouts today.

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    Position drills still going on. The LB's are in between drills. The DB's are getting ready to run their 40's.

    An interesting player in this draft is WR/CB Will Blackmon from Boston College. He played his first 3 years at DB, then was asked by the coaching staff to help the team and move to WR. He caught 50 balls last year and a few days ago, He did a nice job considering that he's only been a WR for a year. He wants to play DB in the pros but this guy has versatility and he is supposedly a very smart young man. He can also return kicks and play specials. Players like him have mid round value. Just thought, I'd give him a pop and considering that The Jets new scouting philosophy is going to be getting versatile players with high football IQ's. Blackmon is the type of player who could be on the radar.

    DB broad jumps going on now.

    The NFL Network keeps going back and forth here.

    Cedric Griffin (Texas), 10 feet 5 inches (That's pretty good) Interesting player can play bump and run at CB and is physical enough to play safety. Another one of those versatile players.

    Kelly Jennings 10 feet

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riggins44

    A.J Hawk just ran a 4.57 according to sources....

    Puts him on par with Jon Vilma, who ran a 4.54, {but is purported to "play faster"}.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Vader
    Puts him on par with Jon Vilma, who ran a 4.54, {but is purported to "play faster"}.
    And it's going to be closer to 4.45 when he runs at OSU on Pro Day.

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    Defensive Backs Group 11

    Michael Huff- 21 reps of 225
    Reuben Houston- 21 reps
    Roman Harper- 19 reps
    Antonie Bethea- 19 reps

    Michael Huff averaged 10 feet 3 inches on his broad jumps.

    Michael Huff from Texas is the highest rated DB in this draft. He's 6'2 205. Has played all 4 secondary positions. Teams are thinking about him as a Cornerback. He had a great Rose Bowl game.

    Roman Harper from Alabama is one of my sleepers in this draft. He's one of the toughest players in this class and is a dynamite tackler. An in the box safety type in The Rodney Harrison mold. That Alabama defense was sick. Carried their team the last few years and Roman was one of their top guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Vader
    Puts him on par with Jon Vilma, who ran a 4.54, {but is purported to "play faster"}.
    Straight line speed is important but instincts is what gets you to the ball first. That's Vilma's best trait. Something you can't measure until you put on the films. Who gets to the ball first?
    Speed only works if you know where you to go with it. Players often times have to stop and start and redirect their motions. Very rarely do you run a straight full speed to the ball.

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    Reuben Houston Vertical Jump- 41'5 inches (Very impressive)

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    I'm trying as best as I can to keep track of everything here. The NFL Network has been running back and forth between things.

    Group 11 Defensive Backs- 40 times:

    Jahmille Addaie-S-WVU (Nicknamed The "Hammer")- 4.61
    (Big looking safety, not a bad time for a power player)

    Jason Allen-CB/S-Tennessee- 4.42 (WOW)
    (passes the eyeball test, looks impressive 6'2 205)

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    Willie Andrews-CB/S/KR- Baylor- 4.37

    (Very nice, only 5'9 183)

    Antoine Bethea-DB-Howard- 4.43

    Great times so far

    Darnell Bing-USC won't run but will participate in position drills

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    Daniel Bullocks-DB-Nebraska- 4.41

    (Twin brother of Josh with The Saints, He looks the part)

    Antonio Cromartie-DB-FSU- 4.49

    (One of the most interesting players in this draft. 6'2 205, extremely raw coming off ACL injury)

    Marcus Demps-DB-SD State- 4.72

    Charles Gordon-4.53
    Reid Doughty- 4.71

    Cedric Griffin-DB-Texas-4.52

    Roman Harper hurt his hamstring, won't be able to run.

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    Still to come, Michael Huff and Kelly Jennings.

    Huff is considered the best DB in this draft and with good reason.

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    Chris Hawkins-4.49
    Devin Hester-4.45

    Tye Hill-4.37

    (track star 60 meters guy, great senior bowl, first round grade)

    Reuben Houston-DB-Georgia Tech- 4.66... horrible time for a track guy

    Character issues, former track star.

    Michael Huff-DB-Texas- 4.37

    He is going to corner. It's that simple. That time is sick for a guy his size and strength.

    Darrell Hunter-4.41 (nice looking athlete)

    Kelly Jennings-CB-Miami-4.40

    Long arms, only weighs 178. 5'11. Not polished but great athlete.
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    Tim Jennings-Georgia-4.38

    Only 5'7

    Jonathan Joseph-South Carolina- 4.36
    5'11 193, same school as Dunta Robinson and Sheldon Brown

    Calvin Lowry-Penn State-4.58

    Antonio Malone-Toledo- 4.63

    Second round of 40's for group 11 DB's.

    Jahmille Addae- 4.74 first time was 4.61
    Jason Allen-4.42, same as first time
    Willie Andrews- 4.49 ( some questioning accuracy of first time)

    Antonie Bethea- 4.46

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    Quote Originally Posted by YoungJetsFan
    Chris Hawkins-4.49
    Devin Hester-4.45

    Tye Hill-4.37

    (track star 60 meters guy, great senior bowl, first round grade)

    Reuben Houston-DB-Georgia Tech- 4.66... horrible time for a track guy

    Character issues, former track star.

    Michael Huff-DB-Texas- 4.37

    He is going to corner. It's that simple. That time is sick for a guy his size and strength.

    Darrell Hunter-4.41 (nice looking athlete)

    Kelly Jennings-CB-Miami-4.40

    Long arms, only weighs 178. 5'11. Not polished but great athlete.
    Huff could go top ten. easily.

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    I am enjoying your coverage immensely, YJF. Thanks!

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