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    America's teams struggle across board

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    America's teams struggle across board By EDDIE PELLS, AP National Writer
    Fri Jul 14, 6:12 PM ET

    On the Fourth of July, a 160-pound Japanese man overcame an American nearly 75 pounds heavier in a hot dog eating contest. Silly? Sure. Symbolic, too. Whipped at Wimbledon, whomped in the World Cup, beaten in baseball, Americans can't seem to win much these days whether it's on the pitch, the court, the diamond or a ridiculous eating contest.

    Coming soon: The World Basketball Championships, where the U.S. team is in rebuilding mode after an embarrassing bronze-medal performance at the Athens Olympics. And the Ryder Cup, where the Americans lost badly on their home turf two years ago and will probably be even bigger underdogs in Ireland in September.

    What to make of all this underachieving from the world's only superpower, the country that invented half the sports it gets beaten in and that used to strike fear in the hearts of overmatched opponents from South America to Siberia?

    "It is our next great challenge and it should alarm us, because we have to intensify our efforts to support our athletes," said Jim Scherr, head of the U.S. Olympic Committee.

    In two years, at the Beijing Olympics, all these sports will come under one umbrella and the buck will stop with Scherr. Really, though, the problems are unique from sport to sport.

    _In soccer, the United States has rarely been competitive on the international stage. The Americans went 0-2-1 at the World Cup, and on Friday, the U.S. Soccer Federation announced it would not renew the contract of coach Bruce Arena.

    "Eight years is a long period," federation president Sunil Gulati said. "I'm not saying we need to change direction, the direction Bruce set is very positive. But having a fresh approach, after eight years, which is a very long time, is the strongest factor."

    Theories bandied about for America's most recent failure started with the most obvious: that while soccer is a big-time participant sport for kids, there is no significant audience for the sport in the United States, which in the long term, undermines participation at elite levels.

    "They're making progress over time, but until it's as culturally important as it is in other countries, you're not going to have kids playing on every street corner," Scherr said.

    Because pickup soccer isn't popular in America, kids who do play are taught in the team context, which some people say could stifle creativity needed to make stars.

    "When I see youth soccer, I see too much organization, too many kids standing around in line waiting to shoot," U.S. captain Claudio Reyna said in a recent interview with Sports Illustrated.

    _In basketball, the U.S. team is coming off two embarrassments, a sixth-place finish in the 2002 World Championships and a bronze-medal performance in Athens. Looked upon as selfish (players), disorganized (management) and unable to handle it all (coaches), USA Basketball had to rethink the way it does business.

    In came Jerry Colangelo as the managing director and Mike Krzyzewski as coach. Their biggest change is that they will no longer go searching for teams from year to year. In place is a 24-man roster made up of players who have committed to the team through the Beijing Olympics.

    From those 24, coaches will activate 12 for competitions, but the other players will remain on the roster and with the team. The hope is this system will build some continuity, which was sorely lacking in 2004, and help avoid the mad scrambles that took place when players dropped out because of injury or other reasons.

    "Continuity is the key," said Krzyzewski, who has won three NCAA titles with Duke. "And unity also. Before, it was a different team every time. You took 12 guys. There was no contingency plan, no alternate. This way, you get to know people for an equal period. It's an advantage international teams had over us for the last decade."

    The first major test of the new system comes next month at the World Championships in Japan.

    _In tennis, America's downfall at Wimbledon no players in the quarterfinals for the first time since 1911 was stunning, though maybe it shouldn't have been.

    "The Williams sisters probably delayed the notable downslide we're experiencing right now," said Steve Roush, chief of sport performance at the USOC.

    Over the past decade or so, the United States has had a smattering of players at the top Sampras, Agassi, Roddick, Davenport, Capriati and the Williams sisters but not enough depth or developing players.

    Currently, there are four Russian women among the top seven. The United States, meanwhile, has only one top-10 man (James Blake) and one woman (Lindsay Davenport).

    At Wimbledon, Donald Young, long viewed as the next great U.S. tennis star, lost in the third round of the boys' tournament. U.S. players went 2-6 in the girls' event.

    John McEnroe has questioned the drive of American tennis players. Meanwhile, the U.S. Tennis Association announced it was retooling its player development program and moving it from Key Biscayne, Fla., to the Chris Evert Tennis Academy in Boca Raton, Fla.

    "We're just trying to figure this out," Billie Jean King said. "It's not easy in the landscape of the United States. We have a huge area, first of all, compared to other countries. We also have young people in our country who most families want them to go to school, whereas in other countries they don't care. So we have to create a very hungry culture."

    _The U.S. baseball team, a team loaded with All-Stars, didn't reach the semifinals at the inaugural World Baseball Classic in March.

    Of course, the day is long gone when baseball was a sport dominated by Americans. Still, Team USA's early loss in that event raised eyebrows and had many people questioning whether it was a good bet to play those games before spring training had really kicked in and players had regained their timing.

    Then again, shouldn't America's best have been able to beat the rest of the world under any circumstances?

    "I believe that if it happens again with this kind of tournament, some of the people including the players who didn't believe it was serious will have to believe now that it is serious," said Giants manager Felipe Alou, a native of the Dominican Republic.

    There are problems lurking elsewhere, like in golf, where the U.S. Ryder Cup team could be faced with bringing unknowns Brett Wetterich, Vaughn Taylor and Lucas Glover to Ireland to join Tiger Woods and Phil Mickelson against Colin Montgomerie, Jose Maria Olazabal, Sergio Garcia and Padraig Harrington.

    And in women's sports especially team sports where the Americans are now being drawn back to the pack after giving up their big head start. The U.S. women's softball team lost its first international game in three years last year and its first championship game since 1997. The team is seeking redemption this month at the World Cup in Oklahoma.

    "We know competition has significantly increased across the board, and in almost every sport," Scherr said. "Certainly in sports in which we've been dominant."

    That would, it seems, also include hot dog eating.



    My take on this

    I figure the reason why the US is doing so bad in international sports is we are to well off. If you look at the history of the US sport it has always been the poor that were the best. People that trained and played harder to get out of the life they were in. Our poor are better off then most people in the world so I guess we are losing our edge. This is the only thing I can think of so if anyone has anything better please feel free to tell me I am wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbeller83
    Sorry, I forgot to add the OT: to the front of the title but considering it is saying how bad the US is doing in all international competition it is a sports topic.

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    Damn I thought this thread was going to be about how bad the cowgirls are now with TO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slag02
    Damn I thought this thread was going to be about how bad the cowgirls are now with TO

    Funny so did I

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slag02
    Damn I thought this thread was going to be about how bad the cowgirls are now with TO
    The title says America's teams not team. It's about the US losing in baseball, basketball, soccer, the Olympics and even the hot dog eating contest it is sad how bad the US has been playing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by New York Mick
    The title says America's teams not team. It's about the US losing in baseball, basketball, soccer, the Olympics and even the hot dog eating contest it is sad how bad the US has been playing.

    i realize that now but I hate the cowboys so much that i just wanted to see them fail

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    Quote Originally Posted by New York Mick
    The title says America's teams not team. It's about the US losing in baseball, basketball, soccer, the Olympics and even the hot dog eating contest it is sad how bad the US has been playing.

    So move!~ j/k thanks for the read/

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    They forgot about Hockey... another sport we got smacked in at the Olympics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brady Is Overrated
    They forgot about Hockey... another sport we got smacked in at the Olympics.
    Your right they did forgot hockey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by New York Mick

    My take on this

    I figure the reason why the US is doing so bad in international sports is we are to well off. If you look at the history of the US sport it has always been the poor that were the best. People that trained and played harder to get out of the life they were in. Our poor are better off then most people in the world so I guess we are losing our edge. This is the only thing I can think of so if anyone has anything better please feel free to tell me I am wrong.
    Its not the universal poor that matters though... Britain still produces soccer stars from their poor neighborhoods, but their lower class is no worse, and perhaps even better-off than our own.... What matters is poorness-in-context, which, thanks to the laws of economics, we have by default.

    Now... when you look at the inner-cities, where life isn't easy... Kids are playing a LOT of basketball, and in a slightly more organized-fashion, Football (usually through schools, since football requires more equipment, and a field). The money isn't there in soccer, so scenes from Urban south america and europe, of kids playing soccer in the alleys and streets doesn't make sense. Why strive to max out at six figures in a game nobody watches when you can be a millionaire star in the NBA or NFL?

    The problem with our soccer team is a lack of talent and creativity, among other things... its a different story...

    There is no American Football international competition, so we can't discuss that.

    Other than that, however, I really think the problem is that we're just too powerful. America, we're constantly told, is the Greatest Country on Earth... what do we need to prove? I mean, that statement surely would place a sizeable chip on the shoulders of smaller countries (or even bigger ones, like china...), but it puts us on a pedestal. We don't have anything to play for.

    Now... in the sports where America is viewed as less-than a superpower, we see some success (not soccer, of course, because that's just a mess)... in Cycling, we've been dominant of late (especially in France...).
    It's all about having something to prove...

    No matter how bad we get, we will always walk into a LOT of sporting competitions as favorites to either win it or, or go deep. We didn't even qualify for baseball at the Athens Olympics, but our Pro players were expected to win the WBC. We've been awful in Olympic Basketball, but we're always a favorite for the gold...

    We need to hit rock bottom before we can rebuild.

    BTW, as far as Nathans goes, this is the first time in about 5 years that anyone was within reach of Kobayashi... Joey Chestnut (an American) was only 1.75 hotdogs out of the lead on the 4th. That's not bad... Americans want to see a home-grown champ at Coney Island (even if it's not really a sport), and we're going to get one soon. Hot dogs are "American Food" and now it seems that we've got something to prove.
    Last edited by uart; 07-16-2006 at 04:25 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by New York Mick
    This is a clip from Yahoo News.

    America's teams struggle across board By EDDIE PELLS, AP National Writer
    Fri Jul 14, 6:12 PM ET

    On the Fourth of July, a 160-pound Japanese man overcame an American nearly 75 pounds heavier in a hot dog eating contest. Silly? Sure. Symbolic, too. Whipped at Wimbledon, whomped in the World Cup, beaten in baseball, Americans can't seem to win much these days whether it's on the pitch, the court, the diamond or a ridiculous eating contest.

    Coming soon: The World Basketball Championships, where the U.S. team is in rebuilding mode after an embarrassing bronze-medal performance at the Athens Olympics. And the Ryder Cup, where the Americans lost badly on their home turf two years ago and will probably be even bigger underdogs in Ireland in September.

    What to make of all this underachieving from the world's only superpower, the country that invented half the sports it gets beaten in and that used to strike fear in the hearts of overmatched opponents from South America to Siberia?

    "It is our next great challenge and it should alarm us, because we have to intensify our efforts to support our athletes," said Jim Scherr, head of the U.S. Olympic Committee.

    In two years, at the Beijing Olympics, all these sports will come under one umbrella and the buck will stop with Scherr. Really, though, the problems are unique from sport to sport.

    _In soccer, the United States has rarely been competitive on the international stage. The Americans went 0-2-1 at the World Cup, and on Friday, the U.S. Soccer Federation announced it would not renew the contract of coach Bruce Arena.

    "Eight years is a long period," federation president Sunil Gulati said. "I'm not saying we need to change direction, the direction Bruce set is very positive. But having a fresh approach, after eight years, which is a very long time, is the strongest factor."

    Theories bandied about for America's most recent failure started with the most obvious: that while soccer is a big-time participant sport for kids, there is no significant audience for the sport in the United States, which in the long term, undermines participation at elite levels.

    "They're making progress over time, but until it's as culturally important as it is in other countries, you're not going to have kids playing on every street corner," Scherr said.

    Because pickup soccer isn't popular in America, kids who do play are taught in the team context, which some people say could stifle creativity needed to make stars.

    "When I see youth soccer, I see too much organization, too many kids standing around in line waiting to shoot," U.S. captain Claudio Reyna said in a recent interview with Sports Illustrated.

    _In basketball, the U.S. team is coming off two embarrassments, a sixth-place finish in the 2002 World Championships and a bronze-medal performance in Athens. Looked upon as selfish (players), disorganized (management) and unable to handle it all (coaches), USA Basketball had to rethink the way it does business.

    In came Jerry Colangelo as the managing director and Mike Krzyzewski as coach. Their biggest change is that they will no longer go searching for teams from year to year. In place is a 24-man roster made up of players who have committed to the team through the Beijing Olympics.

    From those 24, coaches will activate 12 for competitions, but the other players will remain on the roster and with the team. The hope is this system will build some continuity, which was sorely lacking in 2004, and help avoid the mad scrambles that took place when players dropped out because of injury or other reasons.

    "Continuity is the key," said Krzyzewski, who has won three NCAA titles with Duke. "And unity also. Before, it was a different team every time. You took 12 guys. There was no contingency plan, no alternate. This way, you get to know people for an equal period. It's an advantage international teams had over us for the last decade."

    The first major test of the new system comes next month at the World Championships in Japan.

    _In tennis, America's downfall at Wimbledon no players in the quarterfinals for the first time since 1911 was stunning, though maybe it shouldn't have been.

    "The Williams sisters probably delayed the notable downslide we're experiencing right now," said Steve Roush, chief of sport performance at the USOC.

    Over the past decade or so, the United States has had a smattering of players at the top Sampras, Agassi, Roddick, Davenport, Capriati and the Williams sisters but not enough depth or developing players.

    Currently, there are four Russian women among the top seven. The United States, meanwhile, has only one top-10 man (James Blake) and one woman (Lindsay Davenport).

    At Wimbledon, Donald Young, long viewed as the next great U.S. tennis star, lost in the third round of the boys' tournament. U.S. players went 2-6 in the girls' event.

    John McEnroe has questioned the drive of American tennis players. Meanwhile, the U.S. Tennis Association announced it was retooling its player development program and moving it from Key Biscayne, Fla., to the Chris Evert Tennis Academy in Boca Raton, Fla.

    "We're just trying to figure this out," Billie Jean King said. "It's not easy in the landscape of the United States. We have a huge area, first of all, compared to other countries. We also have young people in our country who most families want them to go to school, whereas in other countries they don't care. So we have to create a very hungry culture."

    _The U.S. baseball team, a team loaded with All-Stars, didn't reach the semifinals at the inaugural World Baseball Classic in March.

    Of course, the day is long gone when baseball was a sport dominated by Americans. Still, Team USA's early loss in that event raised eyebrows and had many people questioning whether it was a good bet to play those games before spring training had really kicked in and players had regained their timing.

    Then again, shouldn't America's best have been able to beat the rest of the world under any circumstances?

    "I believe that if it happens again with this kind of tournament, some of the people including the players who didn't believe it was serious will have to believe now that it is serious," said Giants manager Felipe Alou, a native of the Dominican Republic.

    There are problems lurking elsewhere, like in golf, where the U.S. Ryder Cup team could be faced with bringing unknowns Brett Wetterich, Vaughn Taylor and Lucas Glover to Ireland to join Tiger Woods and Phil Mickelson against Colin Montgomerie, Jose Maria Olazabal, Sergio Garcia and Padraig Harrington.

    And in women's sports especially team sports where the Americans are now being drawn back to the pack after giving up their big head start. The U.S. women's softball team lost its first international game in three years last year and its first championship game since 1997. The team is seeking redemption this month at the World Cup in Oklahoma.

    "We know competition has significantly increased across the board, and in almost every sport," Scherr said. "Certainly in sports in which we've been dominant."

    That would, it seems, also include hot dog eating.



    My take on this

    I figure the reason why the US is doing so bad in international sports is we are to well off. If you look at the history of the US sport it has always been the poor that were the best. People that trained and played harder to get out of the life they were in. Our poor are better off then most people in the world so I guess we are losing our edge. This is the only thing I can think of so if anyone has anything better please feel free to tell me I am wrong.
    We have always been better off in the modern age for olympics and other world competition compared to many competitors and as others have pointed out it hasn't hurt other developed countries. I think the problem is Xbox, Ninntendo, PSP/PS2, etc etc etc. The pool have talend that actually plays out side has been reduced in the states dramatically. Ask any dad how tough it is to get his kids away from the game consoles or computers. It is making a difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by New York Mick

    America's teams struggle across board

    Damn, I thought this thread was going to be about the Patriots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PatsFanTX
    Damn, I thought this thread was going to be about the Patriots.
    Hah, you wish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbeller83

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    The US has 300 million people. The rest of the world has 5+ billion people. It's not surprising that we don't dominate every sport.

    I am surprised the Eurpoeans have caught up to us in basketball. Their team play and fundamentals overcomes our ESPN highlight dunks.

    As for soccer, we've never been competitive. I think our progress over the last 10 years has been remarkable.

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    I was actually rooting for the Japanese guy.....kobi..whatever his name is.
    The man won it for something like 5 straight years.....I hope he keeps winning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lageman4ever
    The US has 300 million people. The rest of the world has 5+ billion people. It's not surprising that we don't dominate every sport.

    I am surprised the Eurpoeans have caught up to us in basketball. Their team play and fundamentals overcomes our ESPN highlight dunks.

    As for soccer, we've never been competitive. I think our progress over the last 10 years has been remarkable.
    The best Athlete's in other Countries go first for Soccer! If America did that we would be one of the Top Teams every year! But there's just too much opportunity in other Sports! Football,Baseball,BB Ball etc Not to mention Soccer in the US has the same amount of Fans as Tex!

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