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    if jags and broncos lose

    if these two teams lose where do the jets go in the playoff race. right now they are #7 and jags are allready losing and the broncos are playing seattle with a first time qb. do the jets take the broncos #5 spot or does kc take it.

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    just imagine...a 5-way tie for the 5th seed!

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    good question
    we're both 3-1 in our division
    however, jets are 5-4 in AFC, kc is 3-5.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dameangreenkillingmachine
    if these two teams lose where do the jets go in the playoff race. right now they are #7 and jags are allready losing and the broncos are playing seattle with a first time qb. do the jets take the broncos #5 spot or does kc take it.
    Right Now

    1. Indianapolis 10-2 (7-1 Conference)
    2. San Diego 10-2 (8-2 Conference)
    3. Baltimore 9-3 (6-2 Conference)
    4. New England 9-3 (5-3 Conference)
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    5. Denver 7-4 (7-3 Conference)
    6. Cincinnati 7-5 (5-3 Conference)

    7. New York Jets 7-5 (6-4 Conference)
    8. Kansas City Chiefs 7-5 (3-5 Conference)
    9. Jacksonville Jaguars 6-5 (3-4 Conference)

    Jacksonville's tiebreaker over us only come back to haunt us if either

    A) There is only a heads up tie between Jets and Jacksonville
    B) Jacksonville beats Kansas City Week 17 and There is a 3-way tie between the Jets, Jaguars, and Chiefs.

    This tiebreaker only comes into play when Jacksonville beat ALL OF THE TEAMS tied for that spot, and since Jacksonville does not play Cincinnati (Or Denver) it does not come into play in this scenario.

    Now to answer your question, Should Jacksonville lose, they would be a full game behind us and therefore we would be ahead. If they should win, they would still not leapfrog us due to the Jets having a better conference record, and Cincinnati being involved makes their tiebreaker over us irrelevant.

    Should Denver win, they would have a full game lead over us and therefore be ahead of us. Should Denver lose, they would still be in front of us due to a better conference record.
    Last edited by Ven0m; 12-03-2006 at 04:57 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by USMCNJ
    good question
    we're both 3-1 in our division
    however, jets are 5-4 in AFC, kc is 3-5.
    Division Record is only relevant when it comes to tiebreakers to decide who wins a Division. It does not apply to Wildcard spots.

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    you want the jags to win today, sorry but Miami's momentum needs to end immediately

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    If Denver was to lose and so were the Jags the Jets would be the 6th seed in the playoffs at the end of today. KC would eliminate Denver based on a better AFC West record. The tie would be between the Bengals, Jets, and Chiefs. The Bengals eliminate the Jets and Chiefs with the better AFC record and get the 5 seed. The Jets then eliminate KC on that same tiebreaker and get the 6th seed.

    The best thing if both Denver and the Jags lose is that we control our own destiny if that happens. Win out and we cant lose to KC in a tiebreaker. Denver and Cincy play each other so only one team can reach 11 wins on the season. Thats what you always want as a team. No help needed. You do it yourself. Go Dolphins! Go Seattle!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mean Bro Green
    you want the jags to win today, sorry but Miami's momentum needs to end immediately
    As long as they're behind us and we keep winning, I could care less how much momentum they have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ven0m
    As long as they're behind us and we keep winning, I could care less how much momentum they have.
    Exactly. The Jets are ahead of them in all ways possible: better record, better head-to-head, better division record and better conference record. The Jets beat them week 16, then I think the Jets are in the postseason.

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    Jags are gonna beat Miami today. Harrington is terrible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mean Bro Green
    you want the jags to win today, sorry but Miami's momentum needs to end immediately
    Don't worry about the fins. With their 0-3 divisional record, we have a virtual 2 game lead even if they win today. Need the jags to lose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason423
    If Denver was to lose and so were the Jags the Jets would be the 6th seed in the playoffs at the end of today. KC would eliminate Denver based on a better AFC West record. The tie would be between the Bengals, Jets, and Chiefs. The Bengals eliminate the Jets and Chiefs with the better AFC record and get the 5 seed. The Jets then eliminate KC on that same tiebreaker and get the 6th seed.

    The best thing if both Denver and the Jags lose is that we control our own destiny if that happens. Win out and we cant lose to KC in a tiebreaker. Denver and Cincy play each other so only one team can reach 11 wins on the season. Thats what you always want as a team. No help needed. You do it yourself. Go Dolphins! Go Seattle!
    Divisonal Record is IRRELEVANT when it comes to Wildcard spots. What you just said is not true at all.

    Should Denver lose, Cincinnati and Denver would still both make the playoffs based on their superior Conference Records.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ven0m
    Divisonal Record is IRRELEVANT when it comes to Wildcard spots. What you just said is not true at all.

    Should Denver lose, Cincinnati and Denver would still both make the playoffs based on their superior Conference Records.
    No you are wrong. The first tiebreaker when 2 teams are tied within a division is divisional record. Only one team from each division advances into the multi team tiebreaker format.

    From the NFL rules:

    1. Apply division tie breaker to eliminate all but the highest ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2. The original seeding within a division upon application of the division tie breaker remains the same for all subsequent applications of the procedure that are necessary to identify the two Wild-Card participants.

    KC is 3-1 in the West and gets the nod over the Broncos 3-2 record at the moment. Denver would not factor into the tiebreaker until KC advances into the playoffs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason423
    If Denver was to lose and so were the Jags the Jets would be the 6th seed in the playoffs at the end of today. KC would eliminate Denver based on a better AFC West record. The tie would be between the Bengals, Jets, and Chiefs. The Bengals eliminate the Jets and Chiefs with the better AFC record and get the 5 seed. The Jets then eliminate KC on that same tiebreaker and get the 6th seed.

    The best thing if both Denver and the Jags lose is that we control our own destiny if that happens. Win out and we cant lose to KC in a tiebreaker. Denver and Cincy play each other so only one team can reach 11 wins on the season. Thats what you always want as a team. No help needed. You do it yourself. Go Dolphins! Go Seattle!
    this is way off. ties for the wild card are decided by head to head IF one team has beaten all the others involved in the tie. If that isn't the case (and that would not be the case among the teams tied with the Jets at 7-5), the tie is broken by CONFERENCE record. It doesn't work the way you described it at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gaffneycatch
    this is way off. ties for the wild card are decided by head to head IF one team has beaten all the others involved in the tie. If that isn't the case (and that would not be the case among the teams tied with the Jets at 7-5), the tie is broken by CONFERENCE record. It doesn't work the way you described it at all.
    What part of what I described used head to head tiebreakers? Bengals advance on AFC Conference record for the 5th seed followed by the Jets advancing over the Chiefs with the better conference record.

    If the Jags and Denver lost you would have the following scenario:
    Jets 7-5, Bengals 7-5, Chiefs 7-5, Broncos 7-5.

    The first tiebreaker is to eliminate all but one team from each division. In this case that is between KC and Denver. First division tiebreaker is head to head and they split. Second tiebreaker is Division record. KC is 3-1 while Denver is 3-2. KC advances. Denver is eliminated. So you get:

    Jets 7-5, KC 7-5, Cincy 7-5

    First tiebreaker is head to head sweep, which is not applied since the Jets did not play either team. Second tiebreaker is AFC Conference record. Bengals advance with a 5-3 record over the Jets 5-4 and Chiefs 3-5 record. 5th seed: Cincinnati.

    you then go back to step 1 which sees KC eliminate Denver followed by the Jets eliminating KC based on their record within the AFC. Jets get the 6th seed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason423
    No you are wrong. The first tiebreaker when 2 teams are tied within a division is divisional record. Only one team from each division advances into the multi team tiebreaker format.

    From the NFL rules:

    1. Apply division tie breaker to eliminate all but the highest ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2. The original seeding within a division upon application of the division tie breaker remains the same for all subsequent applications of the procedure that are necessary to identify the two Wild-Card participants.

    KC is 3-1 in the West and gets the nod over the Broncos 3-2 record at the moment. Denver would not factor into the tiebreaker until KC advances into the playoffs.
    1. Apply division tie breaker to eliminate all but the highest ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2. The original seeding within a division upon application of the division tie breaker remains the same for all subsequent applications of the procedure that are necessary to identify the two Wild-Card participants.

    Apply DIVISIONAL tiebreaker, in otherwords, find out which team WON the division first. If San Diego and Denver were tied, this would be relevant. But since San Diego has the Divisional Lead it is NOT relevant here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ven0m
    1. Apply division tie breaker to eliminate all but the highest ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2. The original seeding within a division upon application of the division tie breaker remains the same for all subsequent applications of the procedure that are necessary to identify the two Wild-Card participants.

    Apply DIVISIONAL tiebreaker, in otherwords, find out which team WON the division first. If San Diego and Denver were tied, this would be relevant. But since San Diego has the Divisional Lead it is NOT relevant here.
    Go back to 2002 and see how Miami was eliminated from the playoffs that season. They had the same conference record as Cleveland and would have won the common opponents tiebreaker. But they never made it to that step. New England did because of the divisonal tiebreaker. It was a major cause of controversy amongst Miami fans.

    http://www.answers.com/topic/2002-nfl-season

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