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    Chris Long in NYT

    good read from saturday's new york times, apologies if already posted

    his #91 was retired before that day's game, FYI

    Chris Long Depends on Hard Work More Than Famous Name
    By ADAM HIMMELSBACH

    CHARLOTTESVILLE, Va., Nov. 20 — Virginia defensive end Chris Long sat on a trainer’s table with an intravenous drip stuck in his left forearm. He had strep throat as well as a hesitancy to scale back, as evidenced by the 45-minute weightlifting session he had just completed.

    After a few minutes, a team doctor fiddled with the nearly empty IV bag. He asked Long if he wanted another one.

    “Did I suck that down already?” Long said. “Yeah, two sounds cool.”

    While he waited, Long talked about the postseason award ceremonies he planned to attend. He is a finalist for the Lombardi Award, which will be presented in Houston to the best lineman or linebacker, and the Nagurski Trophy, which will be awarded in Charlotte to the best defensive player. He was asked if a trip to New York, where the Heisman Trophy will be presented, might join the list.

    Long’s eyes narrowed and he shook his head dismissively. He is not a touchdown factory, and he does not play for a national-title contender.

    He is best known as the son of Howie Long, a Hall of Fame defensive end for the Raiders and now an N.F.L. analyst for Fox.

    But with each dominant performance, Chris Long is making it increasingly difficult to be overlooked. Despite facing constant double teams, the 6-foot-4, 284-pound Long has 12 sacks, the fifth most in college football’s top division. He will lead No. 16 Virginia into Saturday’s game against No. 8 Virginia Tech, with the winner advancing to the Atlantic Coast Conference championship against Boston College.

    If Long, a senior, is not invited to New York in December, he probably will be in April, when he is expected to be one of the first five players selected in the N.F.L. draft. “Howie will be angry with me, but I think Chris is the better football player,” said Gil Brandt, who was the Dallas Cowboys’ vice president for player personnel from 1960-89, and is now an analyst for NFL.com. “He’s everything you want.”

    When Long was 7, his mother, Diane, sometimes took him to the Los Angeles Coliseum to see his father play for the Raiders. But Howie did not think it was a good setting for a young boy. He would ask the police officers who guarded the section where his wife and children sat to watch his family during games.

    After Howie retired, the family moved to Charlottesville, Va., where Chris joined the junior varsity team at St. Anne’s-Belfield School when he was in seventh grade.

    “He was a big gangly kid who had yet to grow into his body,” said John Blake, the St. Anne’s-Belfield coach. “But he jumped in with both feet. When he played tackle, he would drive kids 10 or 15 yards down the field, like he was steering a car.”

    Long was aware of his father’s success, but he did not appear overwhelmed by it. He did not watch Howie’s old game films or attempt to mimic his style. Still, the comparisons were inevitable, especially when Chris became a defensive end and Howie became a volunteer assistant coach at the high school.

    Chris played football, basketball, baseball and lacrosse. After basketball games on Fridays, he would often lift weights alone. His truck would be the last to leave the school parking lot.

    “When you’re becoming a great player, you feel like you’re being chased,” Howie Long said. “Chris does everything he possibly can to perform at a high level. I’ve never seen anyone work as hard.”

    When Chris was a junior in high school, he committed to the University of Virginia, which is just a few miles from his parents’ house. He returns for the occasional home-cooked meal or laundry session, but mostly, he says, he enjoys being able to see his family.

    His two younger brothers, Kyle and Howie Jr., still attend St. Anne’s-Belfield. Before their football state championship game last week, Chris spoke at their pep rally.

    At Virginia, Long has blossomed in the Cavaliers’ 3-4 defense, the same system Howie lined up in when he was a Raider.

    “Chris can play low to the ground the whole game, and that’s rare for a guy his size,” said Temple Coach Al Golden, who was Virginia’s defensive coordinator from 2001-5. “He just wears people out. The N.F.L. is going to seem like nothing to him as far as the preparation goes.”

    Howie attended most of Chris’s home games, and he said he planned to be in the stands Saturday. But his television duties kept him from attending many road games.

    Last season, when the Fox crew traveled from stadium to stadium for its N.F.L. shows, Howie would sit alone in the satellite truck on Saturdays and watch his son play. This season, he has gone to a green room at Fox’s Hollywood studio, where there are about 15 televisions on a wall.

    Chris has an even easier time watching his father perform. He said he normally wakes up around noon on Sundays.

    “I roll out of bed, rub my eyes, and there’s my dad on TV,” Chris said.

    At the television studio, a bank of televisions is wheeled in so Howie and the other analysts can watch the N.F.L. games. Next season it will be difficult for Howie to pay attention to more than one.

    “Obviously,” he said, “I’m going to keep an eye out for my son.”

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    great read thanx for posting bit

    that gil brandt quote resonates

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    And notice the weight you people who still think he weighs 275 lbs...

    284

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    Yeah, but don't take the word of a guy who helped construct one of the league's best dynasties...

    Listen to SenorGato.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gangGREENinsider View Post
    Yeah, but don't take the word of a guy who helped construct one of the league's best dynasties...

    Listen to SenorGato.
    Brandt said something about the 3-4?

    You'd think I say something like Chris Long sucks or something.

    *Edit* I recorded the Virginia/VT game last night (it was on late). Long did look good in the first half. Second half...eh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Vader View Post
    great read thanx for posting bit

    that gil brandt quote resonates
    Gil!!

    Whenever I end up loving a prospect I always run to look at how Brandt feels about them. He never lets his opinions out this early, so thats a WOW from me on that.

    When we talk about Long I think we forget how early it is in the process. The Hype train on Long is JUST STARTING. Its gonna get intense in the months before the draft.

    GGI--Yea, they said 284 again. Really only 5 pounds away.........

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    GGI
    -Harvey's a better fit in the 4-3.
    Gato:
    -Harvey's a good fit as 3-4 OLB.

    Gato's final verdict: Harvey's a better fit for the 4-3.

    GGI
    -Ainge has a mediocre arm
    Gato
    -Ainge can make all the throws

    Gato's final verdict: Ainge has a mediocre arm.

    GGI
    -Tebow has a rocket-launcher
    Gato
    -Not that impressed with his arm

    Gato's final verdict: "Impressed" after watching highlights in between class.

    GGI
    -Long was a force in the first half of the VT game against mostly double teams.
    Gato
    -Long didn't see any double teams and sucked the whole game

    Gato's final verdict: "Long did look good in the first half."

    GGI
    -Long can be an excellent 3-4 DE at the next level
    Gato
    -He doesn't have the size to consistently anchor against double teams at the next level.

    Gato's final verdict: ?

    Last edited by gangGREENinsider; 11-26-2007 at 12:33 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gangGREENinsider View Post
    GGI
    -Harvey's a better fit in the 4-3.
    Gato:
    -Harvey's a good fit as 3-4 OLB.

    Gato's final verdict: Harvey's a better fit for the 4-3.

    GGI
    -Ainge has a mediocre arm
    Gato
    -Ainge can make all the throws

    Gato's final verdict: Ainge has a mediocre arm.

    GGI
    -Long was a force in the first half of the VT game against mostly double teams.
    Gato
    -Long didn't see any double teams and sucked the whole game

    Gato's final verdict: "Long did look good in the first half."

    Lol.

    Got me there.

    Harvey I'll definitely give you. The second after you said that I put on the Florida/Auburn (I think) game and agreed.

    Ainge is still ridiculously underrated to me. Remember that Matt Ryan deep ball against...GT?...it was ugly. I think he and Ryan are very similar QBs with Ryan's major advantage coming from his ability to improvise. Ainge will make an excellent QB for an offense like the Pats or Eagles.

    Long is still a 4-3 end in my book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SenorGato View Post
    Lol.

    Got me there.

    Harvey I'll definitely give you. The second after you said that I put on the Florida/Auburn (I think) game and agreed.

    Ainge is still ridiculously underrated to me. Remember that Matt Ryan deep ball against...GT?...it was ugly. I think he and Ryan are very similar QBs with Ryan's major advantage coming from his ability to improvise. Ainge will make an excellent QB for an offense like the Pats or Eagles.

    Long is still a 4-3 end in my book.
    I added some more.

    I like Ainge, he can be a starter in the right system(true for many Qbs). Just in terms of grading out prospects, his arm, checks, and lack of moblility keep him in the 2nd day.

    Ryan's arm is slightly better with his ball placement and reads being mucho better.

    Ainge did win points with me beating Kentucky yesterday. He's never been a big game QB until then so he won some GGI points...

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    Quote Originally Posted by gangGREENinsider View Post
    I added some more.

    I like Ainge, he can be a starter in the right system(true for many Qbs). Just in terms of grading out prospects, his arm, checks, and lack of moblility keep him in the 2nd day.

    Ryan's arm is slightly better with his ball placement and reads being mucho better.

    Ainge did win points with me beating Kentucky yesterday. He's never been a big game QB until then so he won some GGI points...
    With the mediocrity of this QB class...it should shock no one if Ainge ends up the best passer. Way too many signs of a solid NFL QB there.

    But I'll stop his hype train right now...he's really of no use to the Jets.

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    I thought Chris Long's mom was Teri Hatcher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TMahoney View Post
    I thought Chris Long's mom was Teri Hatcher.
    It's actually the Virgin Mary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Vader View Post
    that gil brandt quote resonates
    Yeah, but I'd need to know who came up with it before giving it too much credence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SenorGato View Post
    It's actually the Virgin Mary.
    Hahaha.

    Classic.

    I've been reading these debates between you and the rest of the board for the past couple of days and it has been interesting.

    But whenever this board is SURE, in late November, who we're going to draft, it always ends up being someone else.

    They're probably right that Long is a badass and would be great for this defense, but don't worry, he'll be taken 1 or 2 overall and we'll be sitting there at 3 thinking how the F did we beat Pittsburgh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TMahoney View Post
    , but don't worry, he'll be taken 1 or 2 overall and we'll be sitting there at 3 thinking how the F did we beat Pittsburgh?
    how true

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    Howie Long was a 3-4 defensive end?

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    I think Long will be great for us, having great technique and leverage will make him unstoppable with his workethic. He would be a great player to add to our d-line, we need that kind of toughness on our line. Hopefully we can get him.

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    I love seeing the quote from Brandt. Unlike most of these wannabe scouts, Brandt actually worked in the buisness and built successful teams. He knows what kind of things to look for both on and off the field in a prospect. I would have liked to see him address what position he sees Long playing at the next level though.

    Im still not sure how much I buy that weight though. I guess we'll see for sure when he has to weigh in eventually.

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    Wait I just realized something...I said Ainge has a mediocre arm?

    I'd say he has an above average arm at worst. Clemens-esque but from a 6'5 body.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SenorGato View Post
    Wait I just realized something...I said Ainge has a mediocre arm?

    I'd say he has an above average arm at worst. Clemens-esque but from a 6'5 body.
    Ainges arm is good enough I think. But I think Clemens has a better arm. Not that Clemens has a rocket, but its fairly better than above average while Ainges' is just slightly better than average like a Matt Hasselbeck, while Clemens has a Tom Bradyish arm.

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