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    The potential Eagle trade

    by Dave Hutchinson
    Monday April 07, 2008, 4:05 PM
    The Jets' obsession with Patriots players is apparently mutual as New England yesterday signed forrmer Jets linebacker Victor Hobson to a one-year deal.The subplots between these two bitter rivals is never ending.

    Hobson, a five-year veteran,was a four-year starter with the Jets. After having a solid 2006 season as an outside linebacker in the Jets' 3-4 scheme, he fell off last season. He finished with 67 tackles, two sacks and no interceptions. The Jets didn't make much of an effort to resign him, and Hobson wanted a change of scenery.

    In New England, Hobson will be moved inside. He may be groomed to eventually replace Tedy Bruschi.

    Meanwhile, on the draft front, if the Jets decide to trade down, one possible scenario has them dealing their sixth pick overall to the Eagles for Philadelphia's 19th pick and CB Lito Sheppard. The Jets desperately need help at CB and Sheppard did an excellent job against the Patriots' Randy Moss last season.

    I still say they take Arkansas' Darren McFadden if he's there at six but if not, all bets are off.

    I am all for trading down, count me out on this one. Small point , isn't Sheppard a LCB, Revis is currently at left corner.
    A mock proposed by "MikeDot" indicates that the Eagle trade is the second half of a double header. The Jets trading down to he tenth spot to New Orleans, picking up a third round pick( the Saints picking up Dorsey). Then of course the Jets trade the tenth pick for the 19th pick and Lito Sheppard. The only factor that could make this happen is that Philadelphia with the tenth pick, slides ahead of Buffalo to take the first WR off the board.
    As improbable as these two deals are would you go from 6 to 19, for Lito Sheppard and a third round pick ???

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    Hmm tough decision, I think I would make the trade of they threw in the 3rd rounder.

    We address CB with a pretty decent player, still have a 1st rounder and add a 3rd rounder.

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    I don't see why Philadelphia would make this trade... who would they be targeting at that point in the draft? Doesn't it make more sense for them to deal with someone like NE or Bal if they want to unload Lito? Both teams are looking for a CB, and it would cost the Eagles less.

    But if McFadden is gone, I'd take this trade with the 3rd rounder included.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beerfish View Post
    Hmm tough decision, I think I would make the trade of they threw in the 3rd rounder.

    We address CB with a pretty decent player, still have a 1st rounder and add a 3rd rounder.
    If they included a 2nd rounder it might make more sense. Draft Value of 6th pick: 1600

    Draft value of Eagles 1st + 2nd rounder= 875+410= 1285

    That would value Sheppard at about a late 2nd rounder.

    And if you are skeptical about the draft chart, look up the draft trades conducted in the last few drafts. The Values come surprisingly close to matching up. The chart may be different itself, but teams definitely base trades somewhat on those values.

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    I"m not sure how i feel about this. I really like Sheppard as a player, but I don't know if #2 CB is that much of a need. If we were really targetting a CB why not go DRC or Mckelvin at pick 6.

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    Who in the world would Philly be moving up for?

    And I would throw out the draft chart and do the trade without question. The value of bailing on paying the sixth overall pick alone would be worth the move. It also puts the team in position for Brian Brohm or Derrick Harvey at the appropriate spots.

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    y not just stand pat and get gholston in the first and mennigham in the second

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    I think the Jets may be exploring the idea as a worst case scenrio. First, trading for Lito Sheppard does not solve any CB problems we may have. He has not been healthy for an entire season in a while. There is a reason Phiily threw a Casino full of money at Samuel. AND does this trade include a new contract for him?

    Maybe the Jets are absolutely in love with Groves. He is one of the few players I can see the Jets really liking around that spot and would be consistent with what they have been long rumored to be looking at.

    Would it be a QB? If they are hell bent on getting a QB, Brohm may be a possibility there as well. I could live with the trade if it netted us Lito without reworking his current deal, got us a QB to groom in the case that Clemens isn't ready, and if we would have two 2nd rd picks to go after a RB and pass rusher.

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    I would go nuts for Leto plus Eagles 1 & 2. It would solve all of our needs.

    Number 2 CB = Leto

    At the Eagles draft slot we take the best WR - maybe Devin Thomas or Sweed

    With 2 second rounders we take an ILB and OL or DL.

    Then BPA for the rest of the draft !!!

    We'd have good starters at every position and even some depth.

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    But the biggest question is why would Philadelphia want to do this? I know they need OL and LB help. Maybe they would be targeting Keith Rivers from USC or Branden Albert / Clady. It would jump them ahead of the Patriots, Saints, Broncos, Panthers, Bears who are all looking for LB or OL.

    If Philly fell in love with a prospect it could happen.

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    I say no. I would like to draft an impact player. If there is none available, then i guess dropping back is good. I like Sheppard. But this whole scenario just doesn't fit. No one has made it clear why the Eagles would want to move up, or is it just to get value for Lito?

    The bottom line: I have season tickets and don't want to sit through another year of dink and dunk bullcrap. Get some playmakers. Get DMC.

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    Honestly, this doesn't sound like Philly. They are perfectly content with being in the middle to late draft, draft a lineman and be done with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lageman4ever View Post
    I would go nuts for Leto plus Eagles 1 & 2. It would solve all of our needs.

    Number 2 CB = Leto

    At the Eagles draft slot we take the best WR - maybe Devin Thomas or Sweed

    With 2 second rounders we take an ILB and OL or DL.

    Then BPA for the rest of the draft !!!

    We'd have good starters at every position and even some depth.

    *********************

    But the biggest question is why would Philadelphia want to do this? I know they need OL and LB help. Maybe they would be targeting Keith Rivers from USC or Branden Albert / Clady. It would jump them ahead of the Patriots, Saints, Broncos, Panthers, Bears who are all looking for LB or OL.

    If Philly fell in love with a prospect it could happen.
    I agree with pretty much everything here lag. With the #19, I'd like to go with Sweed or Groves, and in the 2nd we can get Lofton or Mayo first then BPA after that.

    It really doesn't make sense for the Eagles to deal with us. They will most likely be talking to NE, Bal, or NO. They can get the OL or LB of their choice at that spot. Albert, Williams, Rivers and Clady should all be available at that time... Trading up with us just costs them more.

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    They would have to throw in another pick....a 3rd at least.

    That move as written would be the equivilant of giving Sheppard 1st Round Value....and he's clearly not worth that when he misses so much playing time. This would essentially be close to my favorite area of this draft, so much flexability. Could take a good pass rusher like Groves, a top WR like Sweed or Thomas, or even the Top QB like Brohm or Flacco.

    As for why they'd move up..... OT could make some sense....Both their tackles are on the wrong side of 30 and Winston Justice was made to be Umenyoira's ***** when he got his chance.

    WR is a need, albeit moving to 6 seems excessive, but they'd get pick of the litter then.

    DE could work, Trent Cole has the one side under control but the rest of their options are underwhelming, Darren Howard lost his starting job, and the other players on their roster have done nothing to win it.

    Perhaps Linebacker, Gocong, Bradley and Gaither seems like a weak starting corps. A Keith Rivers could be an interesting choice for them.

    Nothing that stands out as the obvious move, but its not like it would hurt them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMikeIsHot View Post
    I agree with pretty much everything here lag. With the #19, I'd like to go with Sweed or Groves, and in the 2nd we can get Lofton or Mayo first then BPA after that.

    It really doesn't make sense for the Eagles to deal with us. They will most likely be talking to NE, Bal, or NO. They can get the OL or LB of their choice at that spot. Albert, Williams, Rivers and Clady should all be available at that time... Trading up with us just costs them more.
    Possibly, but you're assuming they're willing to make such a deal. Perhaps they're targeting somebody and don't want to move down. Perhaps their higher on an option like DRC or McKelvin and would rather select them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jets Voice of Reason View Post
    Honestly, this doesn't sound like Philly. They are perfectly content with being in the middle to late draft, draft a lineman and be done with it.
    Normally, I'd agree with you, but when your job is on the line people tend to sometimes act uncharacteristically.

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    Im with seanmac on this one. Who would the Eagles be moving up for?

    And this is not a good value with the Jets. There would have to be another pick involved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ven0m View Post
    Possibly, but you're assuming they're willing to make such a deal. Perhaps they're targeting somebody and don't want to move down. Perhaps their higher on an option like DRC or McKelvin and would rather select them.
    Sorry if I was unclear... I wasn't trying to speculate on their intentions of trading or their targets... I was just trying to explain that it wouldn't be smart for them to deal with us because they can get a player that fits a need in a slightly higher slot. The difference in #6 and #8 is an extra pick or the difference between a 2nd and 3rd rounder, and that's a pretty large price to pay just to get an extra 2 slots.

    Basically what I'm trying to say is, IF Philly wants to trade up, it's probably not going to be with the Jets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMikeIsHot View Post
    Sorry if I was unclear... I wasn't trying to speculate on their intentions of trading or their targets... I was just trying to explain that it wouldn't be smart for them to deal with us because they can get a player that fits a need in a slightly higher slot. The difference in #6 and #8 is an extra pick or the difference between a 2nd and 3rd rounder, and that's a pretty large price to pay just to get an extra 2 slots.

    Basically what I'm trying to say is, IF Philly wants to trade up, it's probably not going to be with the Jets.
    The problem with this is

    A) You're assuming that the player they want at #6 would be available at #8, and there is no such guarantee. Maybe any talks (If there are any) are in the event of a Jake Long dropping, or a Vernon Gholston, ect.

    B) You're assuming that Baltimore or New England would be willing to make such a deal. Perhaps they've decided that they want to come away from this draft filling a certain need. Perhaps NE is high on Gholston or DRC or McKelvin and would rather have them then moving down for Sheppard and a pick. Perhaps the Ravens want to position themselves for a Matt Ryan. There's plenty of scenarios where they could easily pass on such a deal. Sometimes if you're high enough on a certain player, you might have to deal up a few more spots then necessary to obtain him because the other team doesn't want to move down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ven0m View Post
    The problem with this is

    A) You're assuming that the player they want at #6 would be available at #8, and there is no such guarantee. Maybe any talks (If there are any) are in the event of a Jake Long dropping, or a Vernon Gholston, ect.

    B) You're assuming that Baltimore or New England would be willing to make such a deal. Perhaps they've decided that they want to come away from this draft filling a certain need. Perhaps NE is high on Gholston or DRC or McKelvin and would rather have them then moving down for Sheppard and a pick. Perhaps the Ravens want to position themselves for a Matt Ryan. There's plenty of scenarios where they could easily pass on such a deal. Sometimes if you're high enough on a certain player, you might have to deal up a few more spots then necessary to obtain him because the other team doesn't want to move down.
    You're making this hypothetical way more complicated than it should be. You keep saying there's plenty of scenarios for this and that to happen. I know this already. I know there are thousands different ways the first round can play out. I know Bal, NE and NO all would have to WANT to trade down for a trade with Phi and those teams to happen. I know if they are targeting a certain guy to fall to #6 then they would give us a call... but I just feel like given the team needs on Philly right now, they would rather have the extra 2nd or 3rd round pick than move up the extra spots.

    Also, I haven't heard of any top players that Reid is interested in. Which means they probably don't want to move up.

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    Add the fact that most of the players in this draft are not equivalent to recent draftees in similar spots. Why would they want to move up unless one of the the elite prospects falls (then why the hell wouldn't we take him!).

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