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    PFT: Suggs case results in new "defensive end-linebacker" franchise tag

    SUGGS CASE RESULTS IN NEW CATEGORY FOR FRANCHISE TENDERS

    Posted by Mike Florio on May 13, 2008, 8:20 p.m.

    When the Baltimore Ravens applied the franchise tag to Terrell Suggs, they described him as a linebacker. But Suggs claimed that hes actually a defensive end, which would have resulted in a higher one-year salary for the 2008 season.

    The difference was more than $800,000.

    So Suggs filed a grievance. And the grievance has been resolved via the creation of a new designation for franchise tag purposes defensive end-linebacker.

    We like the idea, and we think its fair to both sides.

    Ravens' Suggs to be designated as franchise defensive end-linebacker

    By John Clayton
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    Updated: May 13, 2008, 7:01 PM ET

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    Terrell Suggs entered his franchise free agency with a debate over whether he was a linebacker or a defensive end.

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    Thanks to an agreement by the Ravens, Suggs' agent, the Management Council and the NFL Players Association, Suggs gets the best of both worlds. The settlement, which is being finalized by lawyers for the NFLPA and the Management Council, creates a new position in franchise designations -- a defensive end-linebacker. Once the paperwork is completed later this week, Suggs, designated as a franchise linebacker, will be re-designated as a defensive end-linebacker, and his one-year franchise tender will increase from $8.065 million to around $8.5 million.


    Suggs challenged his designation as a franchise linebacker by claiming he had more snaps as a defensive end than he did at linebacker last season. A franchise player is tendered at the average of the top five cap numbers at that position. The difference can be substantial. A franchise linebacker has a $8.065 million tender. A franchise defensive end has an $8.879 million tender.


    The differences in negotiations are even more pronounced. The highest paid defensive ends -- Dwight Freeney of the Colts and Jared Allen of the Vikings -- make around $12 million a year. Top linebackers make in the $7.7 million to $7.8 million a year range.


    For months, negotiations were stalled because of the debate over the position. Suggs filed a grievance, asking a Special Master to determine his true position. Being a team player, Suggs showed up at the first minicamp under first-year coach John Harbaugh to show him he was on board with his hiring.


    Recently, Ravens general manager Ozzie Newsome went to Suggs' agent, Gary Wichard, with the idea of creating a hybrid position to move negotiations forward.


    The new position doesn't officially have a name. It could be called "defensive end-linebacker." It could be called hybrid for the players who move between defensive end and linebacker during the course of games.


    What Suggs and the Baltimore are hoping is that they can come together on a deal that will make Suggs a Raven for a long period of time.

    Senior writer John Clayton covers the NFL for ESPN.com.

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    Seemsfair I guess. Another thing to adress at the meetings.

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    Yet all OL are still grouped together. How f'n stupid is that?

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    Might see this on Gholston in a few years...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TD C-Mart View Post
    Might see this on Gholston in a few years...?
    No... If hes a bust, we let him go, if hes a stud, we lock him up with a year remaining in his contract.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 24 View Post
    No... If hes a bust, we let him go, if hes a stud, we lock him up with a year remaining in his contract.
    it's not quite that simple. Gholston could very well be as inconsistent in the pros as he was in college, a player like that was made to be tagged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatty_VM View Post
    SUGGS CASE RESULTS IN NEW CATEGORY FOR FRANCHISE TENDERS

    Posted by Mike Florio on May 13, 2008, 8:20 p.m.

    When the Baltimore Ravens applied the franchise tag to Terrell Suggs, they described him as a linebacker. But Suggs claimed that hes actually a defensive end, which would have resulted in a higher one-year salary for the 2008 season.

    The difference was more than $800,000.

    So Suggs filed a grievance. And the grievance has been resolved via the creation of a new designation for franchise tag purposes defensive end-linebacker.

    We like the idea, and we think its fair to both sides.
    And how will they determine the average of the top 5 salaries at this hybrid position? Franchise tags carry that amount as annual salary. Are there even enough of those hybrids to determine the correct amount?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dcat View Post
    And how will they determine the average of the top 5 salaries at this hybrid position? Franchise tags carry that amount as annual salary. Are there even enough of those hybrids to determine the correct amount?
    No clue on that, article didn't go into detail, and they are prob. going to revise it as the year progresses, for now it seems that it's percentage based in the middle of the two positions. I personally have 2 questions me and TD C-MART were discussing via pm before

    1) How do they designate the position, is it percentage of snaps made ? 40-60 split? or closer to 30-70? This can be a huge difference.

    2) They can't be paying the average amount per the top 5 hybrids, because that would be an obscene price in another 2 years.. only the elite players of the league play positions like it, and the coming contracts of D-Ware and Merriman will blow even that out of the water coming next year. Add to that players such as Jason Taylor and your very own Pace, that tag would be obscenely priced.

    It looks more to be like I mentioned above, a number that is directly between the listed LB and DE numbers, in this case 8.5 mil instead of 8.1 mil for a lb and 8.8 mil for a DE

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