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    Assuming Ryan for HC, Mike Pettine could be our DC

    just look at his biography on the ravens site. ryan's name is all over it...

    2006: Four Raven LBs made the Pro Bowl, Ray Lewis, Bart Scott, Adalius Thomas, Terrell Suggs both Thomas and Suggs were selected through voting process...Thomas posted 11 sacks, Suggs 9.5, which nearly made the Ravens the 1st team in NFL history (since the league recognized sacks as an official stat in 1982) to boast 4 players with at least 10 sacks apiece during a season...(DT Trevor Pryce recorded 13 sacks and LB Bart Scott tied Suggs with 9.5)...Ravens recorded 60 sacks (2nd) to Chargers 61...Defense has allowed 1,833 points (16.4 ppg) over the past 6 seasons, the best mark in the NFL and more than 100 points fewer than the next best defense (Tampa Bay-1,940 points).

    2005: Pettine's OLBs set new marks...Thomas and Suggs, made an impact at the hard-hitting position, combining for 11 of the team's final 18 sacks (last 5 games) and accounting for 6 sacks in the final 3 games...Despite being double- and sometimes triple-teamed, Suggs set a career-high 86 tackles, finished 2nd on the team with 8 sacks and tied a career high with 6 FFs...Thomas set a new career high with 9 sacks and set a franchise record with 3 defensive returns for TDs...Adalius was voted team Most Valuable Player by the Baltimore media...LB Peter Boulware remained the Ravens' sack king, reaching 70 for his career and hitting the 500-tackle milestone...LB Roderick Green played in 16 games, subbing on defense (posting 2 sacks), but finishing 2nd in special teams tackles (17).

    2004: Promoted to defensive assistant and helped coach the defensive line with Ravens veteran D-Line coach Rex Ryan.

    2003: Assisted and coached the D-Line with Ryan...Using computer technology, Pettine assisted in developing playbooks, producing scouting reports, and analyzing game video of opponents as a quality control specialist.

    2002: Worked as an assistant in football video operations...Also assisted the Ravens' coaching staff.
    and check out the overview section with this quote from Rex Ryan himself...

    Overview: Named OLBs coach in 2005...Pettine works directly with defensive coordinator Rex Ryan who says: "Mike is my right-hand man. Our backgrounds are very similar. My father is a legendary NFL coach and his father is a legendary football coach, who recently retired as the winningest HS football coach in Pennsylvania history. I know Mike will make a name for himself in this league. He's one of the best communicators I know, and he relates well with the players. He's smart, and he's dedicated."...Named defensive assistant in 2004...Spent 2 years working with the D-Line after a year as a coaching assistant/quality control specialist.
    I don't think any of the other assistants have stuff like that in their biography on the site.

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    Those were amazing stats for 06'. I've never heard of the guy personally but if it includes getting Rex Ryan as head coach then I'm all for it.

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    Attack attack attack with these two. Bring in Rex and he'll make it happen. Especially since we'll probably be going with an unproven QB.

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    Im praying we get Rex But, Im thinking more and more that if Rex gets the gob Rob wont follow. The reason I say this is because It would be hard to work for your brother. It could cause resentment among the staff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mavericknyc1980 View Post
    Im praying we get Rex But, Im thinking more and more that if Rex gets the gob Rob wont follow. The reason I say this is because It would be hard to work for your brother. It could cause resentment among the staff.
    well rob is apparently going to cleveland with mangini, so this is me finding the other solutions.

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    Assuming anything with this team usually means it wont happen. So...yea

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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Jets & Ham View Post
    Is Mike Pettine under contract with the Ravens?

    If so, can he leave for a promotion to DC with the Jets, is that allowed?
    good question. apparently only if the ravens allow it. i hope they do. rex appears to be on really good terms with the FO, so hopefully that will help...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Jets & Ham View Post
    DON'T COUNT ON IT

    In recent years the trend has been for team to hold these assistants to their contracts if they still want to keep them, and with Ryan leaving there's a pretty good chance the Ravens will want to keep Pettine so there's no more defections from the defensive staff .. they might even promote Pettine to DC to replace Ryan
    Guys Slow down a bit, before we get to the next step, lets get step 1 done and thats to get Rex in as HC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Jets & Ham View Post
    DON'T COUNT ON IT

    In recent years the trend has been for team to hold these assistants to their contracts if they still want to keep them, and with Ryan leaving there's a pretty good chance the Ravens will want to keep Pettine so there's no more defections from the defensive staff .. they might even promote Pettine to DC to replace Ryan
    Clarence Brooks is supposedly the successor to Rex Ryan as Baltimore's DC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Jets & Ham View Post
    DON'T COUNT ON IT

    In recent years the trend has been for team to hold these assistants to their contracts if they still want to keep them, and with Ryan leaving there's a pretty good chance the Ravens will want to keep Pettine so there's no more defections from the defensive staff .. they might even promote Pettine to DC to replace Ryan
    yeah... that's the one thing i'm scared about. SO scared, i think i'll edit out my "guarantee" part of my post...

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    check out this article. it's from last year after billick and the whole staff got fired...

    http://www1.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/n...8-1464983.html

    The new year begins with Michael Pettine out of a job.

    That's life in the National Football League, where it seems every year brings a fair amount of turnover in the coaching ranks. Pettine, an outside linebackers coach for the Baltimore Ravens, was swept out with Brian Billick when the Ravens fired Billick on New Year's Eve.

    Pettine's not sweatin'.

    “I feel like I'm in good spot,” he said.

    His spot looks good for two reasons.

    First, he is still under contract with the Ravens for one more year thanks to Billick, who always insisted that his assistants be given automatic, guaranteed one-year rollover contracts so they would always have one more year left no matter what happened to the head coach.

    “It's nice to have that security (so) if don't end up anywhere, you still have that contract for another year,” said Pettine, the son of former Central Bucks West head coach Mike Pettine.

    Second, he has hitched his NFL future to Rex Ryan, the son of former Eagles coach Buddy Ryan who was the Ravens' defensive coordinator the past three years.

    Pettine, 41, doesn't believe he will need the Ravens' contract next season because he will go wherever Ryan ends up.

    Ryan, who turned 45 on Dec. 13, was fired along with Billick, but has an interview scheduled soon for the head coaching job of the Atlanta Falcons and was promised by Raven ownership on Wednesday that he would also be interviewed for the Ravens' head coaching job. Ryan is also receiving calls from many teams who want him to be their defensive coordinator, Pettine said.

    That's good news for Pettine since Ryan has told him that he will be coming with him wherever he ends up.

    Not only that, but Ryan, if he becomes a head coach, has told Pettine that he would likely make him his defensive coordinator or assistant head coach.

    “If I was his defensive coordinator, more than likely (Ryan) would still call the game, it would be more in title only,” said Pettine. “But we'll cross that bridge when it happens.”

    In Pettine's bio on the Ravens' Web site, Ryan said: “Mike is my right-hand man. Our backgrounds are very similar. My father is a legendary NFL coach and his father is a legendary football coach, who recently retired as the winningest high school football coach in Pennsylvania history. I know Mike will make a name for himself in this league. He's one of the best communicators I know and he relates well with the players. He's smart and he's dedicated.”

    Pettine was the head football coach at North Penn from 1997-2001 and at William Tennent for two years prior to that. He joined the Ravens in 2002 and has enjoyed a relatively stable lifestyle while raising three children with his wife Marlene.

    Depending on where Ryan ends up would mean uprooting the family from their home in Maryland to who knows where?

    “I'd love to be back here and there's more than a reasonable chance that I will be,” he said. “It's tough not knowing, but it's tougher on my wife. She wants to know immediately, because that would change her world if we're going somewhere else.

    “It would be easy on me. I'd head to where I'm going and get lost in the coaching world. She has to stay behind, get stuff packed up, get the move done, get the house sold, handle the kids; it would be tougher on her. She's anxious about it, rightfully so, but that's part of the business and something I've been able to avoid since I got here. You hope not to have to go through it, unless it's a positive thing with Rex getting a head (coaching) job in Atlanta.”

    At the beginning of the season, Ryan was considered one of the top coordinator candidates to become a head coach. Even a season in which the Ravens went 5-11, including nine straight losses, shouldn't diminish his value since the Ravens endured key injuries. On defense, they had to play without both cornerbacks for long stretches and a defensive lineman and the offense was down to its third quarterback by season's end.

    Still, Ryan's defense finished sixth in total defense this year and fifth two years ago, his first as Billick's top defensive coach. Last year, when the Ravens went 13-3, the defense was ranked first in the NFL.

    It all means Ryan is a hot commodity, and that means Pettine shouldn't be unemployed for very long.

    “The bottom line is, Rex will (at the very least) be a coordinator somewhere, and obviously that puts me with him,” said Pettine. “On top of it, I have an additional year being under contract so it's not like, "My God, I was fired, start calling people.' There's none of that. For what's happened, I feel I'm in a good spot.”
    from this read here, it almost seems as if this pettine guy will do whatever is necessary to continue working with ryan, and he wants to be ryan's DC, and ryan wants him to be his DC, wherever that will be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Megalomaniac View Post
    check out this article. it's from last year after billick and the whole staff got fired...

    http://www1.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/n...8-1464983.html



    from this read here, it almost seems as if this pettine guy will do whatever is necessary to continue working with ryan, and he wants to be ryan's DC, and ryan wants him to be his DC, wherever that will be.
    Awesome


    HC Rex Ryan
    OC Brian Schottenheimer
    DC Mike Pettine


    I have a feeling Ryan to the Jets is almost a lock. Spags most likely will end up in Denver, and Woody/Tanny would be fools not to see that Rex is the most qualified candidate and best suited to take this defense to the next level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Jets & Ham View Post
    DON'T COUNT ON IT

    In recent years the trend has been for team to hold these assistants to their contracts if they still want to keep them, and with Ryan leaving there's a pretty good chance the Ravens will want to keep Pettine so there's no more defections from the defensive staff .. they might even promote Pettine to DC to replace Ryan
    They can't keep Pettine from leaving unless it's a lateral move--so if Ryan tapped him to be our DC, he could come here. The problem is what you mentioned--i.e., the Ravens promote Pettine to DC the second we hire Ryan.

    That seems unlikely, however; Ryan has likely told Pettine to turn down any promotions from the Ravens so that he could follow Ryan wherever he goes and become his DC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Jets & Ham View Post
    Oh Okay, so that answers my question, even if he's under contract with the Ravens (as linebacker coach) he can leave for a promotion to coordinator, much like coordinators can leave for HC Jobs ... same concept, right?

    PS. Thanks dbat
    according to mrcoops in another thread, that's not the case...

    http://www.jetsinsider.com/forums/sh...0&postcount=21

    Quote Originally Posted by mrcoops View Post
    Not true any more. The rule changed a few years ago. The only job NFL teams are obliged to allow coaches under contract to interview for is Head Coach. Any other job - even if it involves a promotion from position coach to co-ordinator - they are no longer obliged to grant permission.

    The most noted case of this was when Rod Marinelli got the gig in Detroit, and wanted to hire his son in law to be his DC. Even though it was a promotion, the Bucs refused to grant permission and Joe Barry had to stay in Tampa.

    It can lead to you having some very annoyed assistant coaches on your staff if you play hardball like that but, if you do, the current NFL rules are on your side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Jets & Ham View Post
    Oh Okay, so that answers my question, even if he's under contract with the Ravens (as linebacker coach) he can leave for a promotion to coordinator, much like coordinators can leave for HC Jobs ... same concept, right?

    PS. Thanks dbat
    I don't think this is true anymore...a few years ago it was...but i think the only job that a team HAS to allow a guy out of his contract for is HC

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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Jets & Ham View Post
    Yeah after reading that, along with dbat's info, I think maybe you can put that "guarantee" back in your post
    lol, if it weren't for the fact that this is the jets

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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Jets & Ham View Post
    Oh Okay, so that answers my question, even if he's under contract with the Ravens (as linebacker coach) he can leave for a promotion to coordinator, much like coordinators can leave for HC Jobs ... same concept, right?

    PS. Thanks dbat
    As far as I know, assistant coaches can get out of their contract to take a promotion, but not for a lateral move. So Pettine could come here as DC regardless of his contract with the Ravens because it's a promotion. Again, I might be wrong on that, but I'm pretty sure that's how it works.

    EDIT: I just saw the other posts. The rule I'm referring to very well could have changed. In that case, we still might get Pettine...think of it this way. His guy Ryan becomes HC of the Jets, and he wants to come here as DC. Why would the Ravens fight to keep him, in a job and on a team where he doesn't want to be? They very well could be that vindictive, but it seems to be bad business sense and leaves a bad taste in everyone's mouth, like mrcoops said in the other thread.

    So now I'm not sure what to think...I wouldn't rule anything out though, let's wait until we actually have a head coach before we start worrying about assistants
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Jets & Ham View Post
    DON'T COUNT ON IT

    In recent years the trend has been for team to hold these assistants to their contracts if they still want to keep them, and with Ryan leaving there's a pretty good chance the Ravens will want to keep Pettine so there's no more defections from the defensive staff .. they might even promote Pettine to DC to replace Ryan
    Assuming that Ryan becomes the Jets' next head coach, and he truly wants Pettine to be his DC; If the Ravens promote Pettine to DC, then Ryan CAN speak with him about becoming Assistant Head Coach/Defensive Coordinator. This wouldn't be a "unilateral" move because of the promotion to Assistant Head Coach. It's the new trend by teams to "protect" Assistant Coaches from other teams.

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    You leave this board for a few hours and your team loses out on the front-running DC. At first, I was really angry, I even said earlier today that I would hate Mangini forever for snatching him. The NFL still won't know what the Ryan brothers can do coaching for the same team.

    Then I read this thread and my whole outlook changed once I was shown "the other guy" (thanks Meglo for a great one). I realized we don't need Rob Ryan to play Baltimore Ravens style football. We really only need Rex Ryan. Who knows, maybe it was a fanbase fabrication and the Ryan brothers never wanted to coach together. Either way, one coaches the 2nd best defense and the other the 27th.

    In the bio posted, I loved reading Rex's quote about Pettine and how he's a great communicator/relates to players. Sutton was the complete opposite and I always had trouble imaging him relating to anyone. If Rex could bring his self-proclaimed "right-hand man" in as our defensive coordinator, then he could help explain Rex Ryan football and smooth out the transition. Pettine has been with B'more since 2002, his ties with Rex are very deep and he probably knows his style better than Rob at this point.

    Plus, Pettine's churned out talent left and right. His specialty is 3-4 OLBs and that might be the most important facet of the formation besides a dominant NT. I still can't help but think about what these two coaching could do with Gholston. The kid is raw, motivated from everyone is calling him a bust and will finally go through a full camp. Vernon has a horrible pick for Mangini/Sutton but a brilliant pick for this potential coaching staff. Ryan and Pettine combined also gives a better shot at getting 1 or 2 of the FAs on the Ravens squad.

    Even as I'm writing this, I feel better about this scenario. You can also cancel out the brothers might not work well together argument.

    So, thanks Mangini for forcing our hand -- good night and good luck.

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    I think Pettine would definitely be Rex's guy for DC if he does indeed becomes the Jets' HC.

    Not sure about Pettine's contract status though. If he is under contract, he would need permission from the Ravens even although the job would be a promotion.

    But if, as the article Megalomaniac dug out seems to hint, Pettine is working on a rolling one-year deal he might be able to follow Ryan under freedom of contract after the season. Fingers crossed this is true, because Ryan / Pettine would be a great HC/DC combo for the Jets.

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