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    Bitonti NYJ Mock Offseason

    Another mock offseason.

    As UT and others will relate it's easier to bash these things than make em, so I decided to take a crack at it... tried to make this as realistic as possible, not what I hope happens but what I predict will happen.

    Any feedback appreciated.
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    FA Signings: ILB Bart Scott, S Jim Leonard, CB Chris McAlister, QB J.P. Losman.

    Re-signings: PK Mike Nugent, DT C.J. Mosley.

    Jets Draft with Comments.

    1.17 CB Alphonso Smith - Wake Forest: Ball hawking corner will prove that skill is more important than size.

    2.20 DE Connor Barwin - Cincinnati: Can never have enough pass rush or versaility. Barwin can also play 3TE, sounds like Vrabel.

    3.12 WR Mike Wallace - Ole Miss: This guy could have the fastest run in Indy, if he's still around it's an underrated pick. WSU Brandon Gibson could also be a good 3rd round pick.

    4.15 FB Quinn Johnson - LSU: Tony Richardson is great but very old. Johnson is a bruiser.

    5.17 K/P Graham Gano - Florida State: The Jets need a punter who can coffin corner and a kicker. Gano can do both.

    6.20 TE Anthony Hill - NC State: Hill is an injury prone player which is why didn't go higher - but balanced can run block and catch.

    7.9 ILB Antonio Appleby - Virginia: Appleby played ILB in 3-4 for 4 years, he's plug and play.

    7.19 RB Josh Vaughan - Richmond: Under the radar back has a nose for the end zone. Backed up Tim Hightower before his senior year.


    projected 53 man roster
    * = Starter

    25 Offense

    3 QB
    QB Ratliff*
    QB Losman
    QB Ainge

    3 RB
    RB Jones*
    RB Washington
    RB Vaughan

    2 FB
    FB Johnson*
    FB Caulcrick

    7 WR
    WR Coles*
    WR Cotchery*
    WR Stuckey
    WR Clowney
    WR Wright
    WR Wallace
    WR B Smith

    3 TE
    TE Keller*
    TE Baker
    TE Hill

    7 OL
    OT Ferguson*
    OG Faneca*
    OC Mangold*
    OG Moore*
    OT Woody*
    OT Hunter
    OC Turner

    25 Defense

    7 DE/DT
    DE Coleman*
    DT Jenkins*
    DE Ellis*
    DE Devito
    DE Pitoitua
    DT Pouha
    DT Mosley

    9 LB
    OLB Pace*
    OLB Thomas*
    ILB Scott*
    ILB Harris*
    OLB Gholston
    OLB Barwin
    OLB Murrell
    ILB Trusnik
    ILB Appleby

    9 DB
    CB Revis*
    CB McAlister*
    FS Leonard*
    SS Rhodes*
    CB A Smith
    CB Lowery
    CB Carroll
    FS Smith
    SS Elam

    3 Specialists

    P Graham Gano*
    K Mike Nugent*
    LS James Dearth*

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    Last edited by bitonti; 02-20-2009 at 12:47 PM. Reason: forgot to put Barwin on the roster, see ya Kentwin Cummings!

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    I like Smith and Moore if he's there better than V. Davis as corners so I like that pick. But you also pick up Mcallister? Interesting, a lot of depth if that happens. If we do go with a CB in FA, I might think about switchin WR and CB in rounds 1 and 3.

    Don't know much about Mike Wallace. I'll look him up.

    And a very interesting pickup in JP Losman, who would be that when we are in danger of falling apart put this veteran in hte game guy.

    Gano in the 5th, thumbs up.

    Good stuff though.

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    The Jets need another freaking receiver. We go nowhere without one. Our new QB is going to need all the help he can get, Coles and Cotch can't cut it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYJCAP2 View Post
    I like Smith and Moore if he's there better than V. Davis as corners so I like that pick. But you also pick up Mcallister? Interesting, a lot of depth if that happens.
    as much as we might want to draft a guy and plug him in there, it might not be the wisest move. I can see a McAlister signing happening long after the draft, he's unlikely to be healthy enough to pass a physical until May or June... and even then a sign-and-draft situation is feasible because that's how bad the need is.



    And a very interesting pickup in JP Losman, who would be that when we are in danger of falling apart put this veteran in hte game guy.
    quick word on QB situation, what I think happens is the JETS bring in a vet, someone who isn't necessarily guarunteed a starting position by the size of his contract. Someone who the kids will have to beat out to win the job... such that if they DON'T Beat this guy out, they don't deserve to start. A rigged competition if you will... with 1 of this kids getting voted off the island (in this scenario Clemens is that player, altho it could very easily be Ratty or Ainge).

    Another very important note Jon Kitna is a likely cut from the Lions, he also fits very well with what the Jets want from a vet QB signing. Since he isn't technically on the street yet, I went with Losman.

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    I think I would prefer Moore in the first, but I wouldnt be upset with Smith. I also like Barwin and couldnt complain about that pick either, but I would prefer some DLine depth if we can get it. I also question getting two backs...I think caulcrick can be a good bruiser back and if we dont resign Richardson the Jets obviously would need a good FB. I like getting Hill late. I also had him in my mock draft. Nice size for blocking and had a great Sophmore year before getting injurted...might be a good replacement for Baker as a 2-way TE.

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    No D-Rob?

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    Good stuff as always.

    Minor point to raise:

    Do we need a 5th ILB more than an 8th OL? Only having 2 backups worries me. We did this last season and got lucky.

    I guess you can always pick up a piece of meat mid-season if you lose a guy, but if you lose 2 for any length of time, you're in bad shape. At least at LB, there's a shot one of your OLBs can slide inside for emergencies. Who could we put on the O-line?

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    Good stuff as always.

    Minor point to raise:

    Do we need a 5th ILB more than an 8th OL? Only having 2 backups worries me. We did this last season and got lucky.

    I guess you can always pick up a piece of meat mid-season if you lose a guy, but if you lose 2 for any length of time, you're in bad shape. At least at LB, there's a shot one of your OLBs can slide inside for emergencies. Who could we put on the O-line?
    We just released our LBer depth so I think we are in more desperate need there with basically only Harris and Trusnik inside. Bowens and Kassell are cut and we likely wont resign Barton. So 5 ILBers dwindells to Two.

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    let me clarify in the original post I drafted Barwin in round 2 but forgot him on the 53 man... so there really isn't a 5th ILB. there are 4 OLb and 4 ilb

    as for the OL situation, most teams only have 7 OL active on game day so i don't really see the point. if you lose 3 starting OL in a game you are probably screwed pretty bad... at that point i guess tight ends step in and try to man the position. unless it's super serious, OL usually get shot up, taped up, and sent back out there.

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    Bit,

    1 - Where did Kellen Clemens go?

    2 - I might be wrong but the Jets only have 1 7th Rd pick this year? The get the Packers 7th next year?

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    Surprised the Kellen Clemens movement hasn't gone nuts over Bitonti cutting Clemens and replacing him with JP Losman. Doesn't really offend me since I consider Losman and Clemens to be the same player.

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    I like most of the draft though I think we can wait longer than the 5th round to get a punter if history means anything. I am not up for Losman at all. He is no upgrade over Clemens and might be worse. I just don't like the guy as a QB.

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    Nice job!

    One of the more realistic mocks I've seen with the current information we have.

    Agree... CB is the biggest need on defense and the logical place to start in round 1 with our new coach.

    I like the next few picks and the Florida State punter in particular... Special teams/the kicking game is still underated by us fans... but that's exactly what lost the first game against the Pats this year...

    Also like how you have Clemens getting cut for a veteran QB... Losman in this case... Not that I want Clemens cut, I just agree with logic... Got your young gun in Ratliff, your vet in Losman and your developmental guy in Ainge...
    Sadly Clemens may not be a better fit for any of these spots.

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    Awesome first day!

    Also dig the FA signings.

    On a sidenote, Appleby could be a steal late in the draft.

    Good job bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VincenzoTestaverde View Post
    Surprised the Kellen Clemens movement hasn't gone nuts over Bitonti cutting Clemens and replacing him with JP Losman. Doesn't really offend me since I consider Losman and Clemens to be the same player.
    That is my question and since they are basically the same player why not give Clemens a chance for a couple of reasons:

    1 - He knows Brian Schotts system
    2 - He'll be cheaper than Losman - Clemens is still working off his rookie contract which can't be more than $600-800K this year?

    I'm guessing Losman will have a few teams after him and will end up getting a 2-3 yr deal for around $1.5M a yr...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bitonti View Post
    Another mock offseason.

    As UT and others will relate it's easier to bash these things than make em, so I decided to take a crack at it... tried to make this as realistic as possible, not what I hope happens but what I predict will happen.

    Any feedback appreciated.
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    FA Signings: ILB Bart Scott, S Jim Leonard, CB Chris McAlister, QB J.P. Losman.

    Re-signings: PK Mike Nugent, DT C.J. Mosley.

    Jets Draft with Comments.

    1.17 CB Alphonso Smith - Wake Forest: Ball hawking corner will prove that skill is more important than size.

    2.20 DE Connor Barwin - Cincinnati: Can never have enough pass rush or versaility. Barwin can also play 3TE, sounds like Vrabel.

    3.12 WR Mike Wallace - Ole Miss: This guy could have the fastest run in Indy, if he's still around it's an underrated pick. WSU Brandon Gibson could also be a good 3rd round pick.

    4.15 FB Quinn Johnson - LSU: Tony Richardson is great but very old. Johnson is a bruiser.
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    5.17 K/P Graham Gano - Florida State: The Jets need a punter who can coffin corner and a kicker. Gano can do both.

    6.20 TE Anthony Hill - NC State: Hill is an injury prone player which is why didn't go higher - but balanced can run block and catch.

    7.9 ILB Antonio Appleby - Virginia: Appleby played ILB in 3-4 for 4 years, he's plug and play.

    7.19 RB Josh Vaughan - Richmond: Under the radar back has a nose for the end zone. Backed up Tim Hightower before his senior year.


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    Very conservative in your estimatiom but intelligent nonetheless. You believe the hire of Rex Ryan will bring us three Raven players in free agency. That's a lot of money. You don't think GM Mike Tannenbaum wants to redeem himself for trading for Favre and releasing Pennington, who ended up taking our arch rivals to the playoffs?

    With 15 million in cap space and a decent spot in the draft, the Jets are poised to upgrade again this off-season. We can expect that it won't be as aggressive as last season, but aggressive nonetheless. Just the fact that we were aggressive last year by handing out so much money makes us more likely to spend more to make that initial investment worth it in the first place. We want to win a championship in our present window while vets like Faneca and Jenkins are still in their 'prime'.

    Chris McCalister had alcohol and injury problems last year and was drafted in 1998, making him a corner in his 11th year in the league. I don't like cornerbacks in their 8th year... That position is about instinct and athleticism, essentially youth is a premium.

    Furthermore, Bart Scott and Jim Leonard are two players that were not great, but rather just good, with an amazing amount of talent around them and a great defensive coach. Scott had one great year and has been an average player ever since.

    Even though I don't like JP Losman, that seems like the most logical move.

    The only reason I raise so many questions here, don't think I'm criticizing, is that you have been posting good stuff about the draft and free agency for some years here. So yea I'm just interested what you have to say about these free agents, that is why you think they're good for us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SafetyBlitz View Post
    Very conservative in your estimatiom but intelligent nonetheless. You believe the hire of Rex Ryan will bring us three Raven players in free agency. That's a lot of money. You don't think GM Mike Tannenbaum wants to redeem himself for trading for Favre and releasing Pennington, who ended up taking our arch rivals to the playoffs?

    With 15 million in cap space and a decent spot in the draft, the Jets are poised to upgrade again this off-season. We can expect that it won't be as aggressive as last season, but aggressive nonetheless. Just the fact that we were aggressive last year by handing out so much money makes us more likely to spend more to make that initial investment worth it in the first place. We want to win a championship in our present window while vets like Faneca and Jenkins are still in their 'prime'.

    Chris McCalister had alcohol and injury problems last year and was drafted in 1998, making him a corner in his 11th year in the league. I don't like cornerbacks in their 8th year... That position is about instinct and athleticism, essentially youth is a premium.

    Furthermore, Bart Scott and Jim Leonard are two players that were not great, but rather just good, with an amazing amount of talent around them and a great defensive coach. Scott had one great year and has been an average player ever since.

    Even though I don't like JP Losman, that seems like the most logical move.

    The only reason I raise so many questions here, don't think I'm criticizing, is that you have been posting good stuff about the draft and free agency for some years here. So yea I'm just interested what you have to say about these free agents, that is why you think they're good for us.
    hey these are great questions and the reason I started the thread - bring em on!

    You bring up valid points about "raven-mania" - there will be other names probably, Especially now the Jets are in the TE Market.

    DE Igor Olshansky makes sense. I haven't ruled out a FB Tony Richardson re-sign and Mosely is probably gone... but that's not in the original proposal, so it goes. to respond:

    S Jim Leonard - someone reliable in the defensive backfield that is likely to have more youth on the field at any given time. free safety has been a void for years on this team. the Ravens kept drafting defensive backs but Jim Leonard kept starting.

    ILB Bart Scott - essentially younger, faster Eric Barton. Good not great is still pretty good. Kerry Rhodes behind David Harris plus Bart Scott behind Kris Jenkins is (on paper) a pretty sound starting center defense.

    is Leonard plus Scott alot of money? Yes but you only get 1 maybe 2 chances to open a stadium and Woody will do it again.

    CB Chris McAlister - very late signing, incentive deal maybe after mini camps? he isn't healthy or reliable, you are right, he pretty much is done. I can't really defend it except to say long shot situation. they can't cut all their DB and replace them in the draft.

    Bryant McFadden is now the #1 CB available, after all the tagging is done. The market is going to be crazy for corners, hence the round 1 selection, and another moderate to low end vet along the way.

    QB situation- I believe Kellen Clemens can make this team but only as the starter. his contract is up, it's all or nothing for him. former Bengal, Ryan Fitzpatrick is another name that makes sense. If these guys can't beat out Fitz or Los they don't deserve to start.

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    During this off season.here is what I would love to see happen.

    Ratliff takes command
    Clemens get cut
    We sign a Vet backup(Chris Simms)
    We draft another Big(arm) QB (Freeman)
    We add a speed Big WR (Brooks Foster)
    We add 2 34 DEs (Canty, Moala)
    We add a Big RB (Shonn Green)
    We add a CB (Dom Johnson,Shod Martin)
    We add an olman
    We add some lbers

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