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    Schotty breaks down film on Clemens and Sanchez


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    I really don't get why people think Clemens can't be a good QB.

    Actually I do, I just think it's dumb.

    Also, Schottenheimer is going to look damn good this season no matter who's at QB. This year theres an offensive line so '07's problem is gone, and '08's 40 year old semi-retired injured QB is gone too so we can use the full playbook.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chica me Tipo View Post
    I really don't get why people think Clemens can't be a good QB.

    Actually I do, I just think it's dumb.

    Also, Schottenheimer is going to look damn good this season no matter who's at QB. This year theres an offensive line so '07's problem is gone, and '08's 40 year old semi-retired injured QB is gone too so we can use the full playbook.
    It's not only that we can use the full playbook, Shotty can use his playbook.

    Favre wanting to be in the shotgun all the time and not wanting to use motion limited Shotty's book. His offense the first year with the Jets was loaded with all kinds of motion plays, in ways that had people calling him innovative. Favre at QB eliminated all those plays.

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    By Favre you mean Mangini right?

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    I wouldn't be upset if Sanchez sat for the majority of this year. Let him learn the playbook.

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    I wouldn't be upset if Sanchez sat for the majority of this year. Let him learn the playbook.
    Agreed! I know we have a good O-line and running game, but we've seen too many rookie QB's that were thrown into the fire and had their careers ruined. David Carr still hears footsteps in his sleep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pauliec View Post
    I wouldn't be upset if Sanchez sat for the majority of this year. Let him learn the playbook.
    I agree to a point. I would like to see Clemens start out the gate and let Sanchez Learn the playbook and get fully up to speed to the pro game. If Kellen struggles mid season then give Sanchez the reigns and let the future of the franchise get some in game experience heading into the next season. If Kellen does good for the most part, trade him for some draft picks.

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    If it's a fair QB battle, I'm convinced KC is going to win it and will be the starter. Doesn't mean Sanchez won't get his chance, but may the better player win it.

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    At 1:52 of that clip, they referred to Sanchez as having "great extension", mentioning P. Manning, Brady and Favre as other QBs that possess this trait. They're talking about his throwing mechanics right? Higher release point, stuff like that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chica me Tipo View Post
    By Favre you mean Mangini right?
    I understand we're all supposed to hate Mangini, but it was definitely FAVRE who didn't want the motion.

    He went out of his way to say things like "why overcomplicate things" and "it's just a game" . . . that's what scared me from day one about him -- that our offense would be set back long-term b/c of the lack of continuity in the system.

    Personally, I look forward to the shifts/motion/overall trickery. If Sanchez can grasp it, more power to him. If not, I'm glad Clemens has years in the system and hope the talent level around him helps raise his level of play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jrex View Post
    At 1:52 of that clip, they referred to Sanchez as having "great extension", mentioning P. Manning, Brady and Favre as other QBs that possess this trait. They're talking about his throwing mechanics right? Higher release point, stuff like that?
    Im pretty sure they were talking about the play action fake, Manning-Brady-Favre all sell the fake so well because of how much they extend their arm, watch them do it then watch someone like Edwards do it and all he does is pivot his body toward the RB and barely extend the ball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pavilion View Post
    Im pretty sure they were talking about the play action fake, Manning-Brady-Favre all sell the fake so well because of how much they extend their arm, watch them do it then watch someone like Edwards do it and all he does is pivot his body toward the RB and barely extend the ball.
    Ahh, thanks. In that case, they could've thrown Chad's name in there as well...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jrex View Post
    Ahh, thanks. In that case, they could've thrown Chad's name in there as well...
    They could have but one thing is different, Chad is slow in the set up, he was excellent at hiding the ball but slow, Manning and Brady for examples are fast, they whip around and while the LB'ers realize its a fake its too late they're already throwing the ball, Chad for example, again while IMO one of the best at hiding the ball was slow he always seemed to be a second slower than the other QBs.

    Sanchez has great extension, sells the fake, and is very quick in his set up, not saying he is like Manning and Brady but he executes it just like them.

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    kinda too late for clemens on the jets. his window was last season and they closed it pdq.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chica me Tipo View Post
    I really don't get why people think Clemens can't be a good QB.

    Actually I do, I just think it's dumb.

    Also, Schottenheimer is going to look damn good this season no matter who's at QB. This year theres an offensive line so '07's problem is gone, and '08's 40 year old semi-retired injured QB is gone too so we can use the full playbook.

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    Interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chica me Tipo View Post
    I really don't get why people think Clemens can't be a good QB.
    His piss-poor accuracy would be the primary reason. What good is a quarterback if he can't get the ball to go where it's supposed to go. You simply can not operate an offense efficiently if your QB can't complete at least 60% of his passes - that's the absolute minimum you need from your QB. A "good" QB is going to be at or closer to 65% (along with a minimal amount of interceptions).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chica me Tipo View Post
    By Favre you mean Mangini right?
    If you're asking in regards to eliminating the motion plays, no it was Favre.

    Was reported more than once that Favre didn't like plays that featured motion in GB and the Jets never ran motion plays because of Favre.

    They used motion on just about every play their first year with Chad, so not an issue with Shotty or Mangini.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OCCH View Post
    I understand we're all supposed to hate Mangini, but it was definitely FAVRE who didn't want the motion.

    yeh and Mangini let it happen.


    he even let Brett ruin the season playing with a tore bicep tendon.

    if Mangini had the guts to control Favre or even bench him, maybe he doesn't lose his job last year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzzsaw View Post
    His piss-poor accuracy would be the primary reason. What good is a quarterback if he can't get the ball to go where it's supposed to go. You simply can not operate an offense efficiently if your QB can't complete at least 60% of his passes - that's the absolute minimum you need from your QB. A "good" QB is going to be at or closer to 65% (along with a minimal amount of interceptions).
    Kind of hard to be accurate while running for your life everytime you drop back to pass though.

    Especially when you combine poor line play with an inexperienced QB. His play is what should have been expected given his lack of experience and poor line along with lack of a running game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bitonti View Post
    yeh and Mangini let it happen.


    he even let Brett ruin the season playing with a tore bicep tendon.

    if Mangini had the guts to control Favre or even bench him, maybe he doesn't lose his job last year.
    True, but he also got criticism for trying to make players play his system, when they didn't fit the system.

    Can he then be blamed for not trying to change Favre and make him play the Jet O system? Especially given how little time Favre had to learn the system? I don't think you get a Favre and expect him to run an offense that he doesn't feel comfortable in or like.

    In hindsight he should have benched Favre. Guess he held on to the hope that his next game would be better. Or he felt that he was in bigger risk of losing his job if he put his fate into KC's arm and it didn't work out.

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