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    Katyn and the Communists

    MOSCOW The World War II Katyn massacres were committed on the direct order of Soviet dictator Josef Stalin, Russia's lower house of parliament said Friday a statement hailed by Polish officials.

    The 1940 massacre of around 20,000 Polish officers and other prominent citizens in western Russia by Soviet secret police has long soured relations between the two countries. President Dmitry Medvedev will visit Poland in early December.

    Soviet propaganda for decades blamed the killings on the Nazis, but post-Soviet Russia previously acknowledged they were carried out by the People's Commissariat for Internal Affairs, or NKVD Stalin's much feared secret police.

    The statement passed by the State Duma appears aimed as a step toward Russia definitively breaking with its Soviet legacy.

    Some observers have expressed alarm in recent years that Russia may be quietly rehabilitating Stalin. Last year, a quote praising Stalin was restored to the decoration of one of Moscow's busiest subway stations; this year, Moscow's mayor proposed allowing posters depicting Stalin as part of the annual celebrations of the defeat of Nazi Germany.

    "This historic document is important not only for Russian-Polish relations much more it is important for us ourselves," said Konstantin Kosachev, chairman of the Duma's foreign relations committee, according to the news agency ITAR-Tass.

    Russia has turned over scores of volumes of documents this year about Katyn to the Polish government.

    "Published materials, held in secret archives for many years, not only reveal the scale of this awful tragedy but show that the Katyn crime was committed on the direct order of Stalin and other Soviet leaders," says the statement, which also expresses "deep sympathy for the victims of this unjustified repression."

    Communist legislators tried to amend the statement to remove the naming of Stalin, but were defeated.

    "The falsification of history that we are fighting against in other countries is also taking place in our country, and today we could see it with our own eyes," Kosachev said of the amendment attempt. Russian officials frequently use the term "falsification of history" to attack perceived attempts to underplay the importance of the Red Army in the fight against Nazi Germany.

    The head of the Polish parliament's foreign affairs committee, Andrzej Halicki, said he considered the Duma's statement to be a breakthrough.

    "I am happy that such a process of reconciliation and truth is taking place," he said. "It is the first such act that proves that our relations and discussions are sincere."

    However, Jaroslaw Kaczynski, head of the conservative opposition Law and Justice party, said he still wants Russia to offer a full apology and compensation.

    A U.S. historian who wrote a book about Katyn, hailed the Duma decision.

    "I think this is part of a long process in which ultimately the Russian people will have to come to grips with their past," Allen Paul, who authored "Katyn: Stalin's Massacre and the Triumph of Truth," told The Associated Press.
    Never forget.

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    The Russians still owe an apology to Eastern Europe for the barbarities they committed as they were advancing into Germany in WWII. They killed tens of thousands of civilians, raped tens of thousands of women and imprisoned many intelligentsia, military officials, politicians and other prominent members of Eastern European nations, including Poland to Siberia, of which most did not return.

    The fate of the leaders and thousands fighters of the Polish Home Army after the 1944 Warsaw Uprising when the Soviets took over was not kind. Some escaped to the West, many were killed and many sent to Soviet Labor Camps from which most died.

    They should but never will apologize to Germany for the barbarities they committed in Eastern Germany and its former provinces of East Prussia, Pomerania and Silesia. They killed hundreds of thousands of civilians raped almost as many women and finally engaged in the largest ethnic cleansing operation in modern history, taking East Prussia and giving half of 1939 Eastern Germany to Poland and forcing the remaining Germans to flee to the West.

    The Germans began the war against the Soviets and were brutal in their administration of the occupied regions of the east. But in trying to compare the crimes of two abominable regimes, the Nazi policies were undertaken by specific institutions, the Nazi political and economic organs and the Einsatzgruppen and security units in an effort to conceal the brutality from the mss of the German people and the army. The Soviets were general with their atrocities: hundreds of thousands of its own soldiers were executed by the NKVD for real or imagined charges, its millions of POWs were sent to Siberia after their liberation from Germany and its rank and file soldiers engaged in massive crimes against civilians in Eastern Europe.

    To this day, Eastern European still hate the Russians because of the events of 1944-45 and after. This is why they are the most supportive NATO advocates and support US operations overseas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Equilibrium View Post
    ...two abominable regimes...
    And this is the base of the murder of millions of innocent human beings. Two abominable regimes - right next to each other.

    Paranoia kicks in on both sides (and doesn't go away) and lowest-common-denominator rules apply. It's wrong to kill someone based on suspicion BUT when they're dead, you KNOW that they can't harm you.

    Paranoia is cured with security. It's just human nature.

    And the Jews were just caught in the middle of the two abominable regimes.


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