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    Angry Sanchez ranked #20 QB by ESPN

    ESPN has an article ranking the current NFL QBs. Sadly, though, it was not written by some of the former scouts on their payroll. No, instead the rankings come from none other then the "professor" John Clayton.

    Ranking NFL starting quarterbacks

    By John Clayton
    ESPN.com

    While Michael Vick of the Philadelphia Eagles came out of nowhere to regain elite status in my season-ending starting quarterback rankings, three veterans plunged from the top category.

    I ranked Brett Favre fifth in my preseason rankings, but the Minnesota Vikings' quarterback finally got old and played nowhere near elite status (11 TDs, 20 picks) in 2010. Donovan McNabb, ranked ninth in the preseason, struggled playing with inferior talent on the Washington Redskins, got benched and will be playing elsewhere in 2011. Like Favre, he dropped a tier in my rankings.

    Preseason QB rankings
    From Peyton Manning to Jake Delhomme, here's how John Clayton ranked starting quarterbacks in the preseason. Story

    Cincinnati Bengals quarterback Carson Palmer was in the elite category and 10th overall in my preseason rankings. But despite flickers of elite play late in the season, he didn't do enough to merit staying among the best. Twenty interceptions, which tied Palmer's career high, will do that to you.

    I divide this quarterback-driven league into three categories:

    Elite Division: These quarterbacks complete better than 60 percent of their passes, have 4,000-yard passing potential and demonstrate fourth-quarter comeback ability. These players can carry a team to the playoffs.

    Chad Pennington Division: Pennington, a former starter for the Miami Dolphins and New York Jets, never had a strong arm, but he once was good enough to take a team to the playoffs with a good surrounding cast or a favorable schedule. These quarterbacks have a deficiency or two that keep them from joining my elite category. The quarterbacks who fit this mold include the Denver Broncos' Kyle Orton, the Kansas City Chiefs' Matt Cassel and a surprise. (Hint: Think NFC North.)

    Hit-Or-Miss Division: It includes young players who have potential to be elite (Detroit's Matthew Stafford) but have a ways to go, declining veterans (McNabb) and players who have zero chance to move to the top category (Derek Anderson).

    For my season-ending review, I added Eagles backup Kevin Kolb, who began the season as a starter. He should be attractive to teams that want to trade for a quarterback in the offseason. Orton also could draw trade interest now that Tim Tebow has been given a three-game starter audition. Orton was near the top of the Chad Pennington Division when the season began.

    Expect Josh Freeman of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and rookie Sam Bradford of the St. Louis Rams -- both of whom had breakout seasons -- to join my elite category in the next year or two.

    QBs in the elite category are assigned an arrow, denoting whether their play continues to improve or remains flat. In the Pennington and Hit-Or-Miss divisions, I rate the chances those QBs have to reach elite status. Some have a greater chance than others because they have not reached their ceiling. I have seen enough of QBs Vince Young, Alex Smith and Rex Grossman, for example, to know they have little or no chance to be elite.


    Now, on to the rankings.

    THE ELITE DIVISION

    1. Tom Brady, New England Patriots

    Analysis: Brady's remarkable season included an in-season change from a big-play offense that featured Randy Moss to a move-the-chains approach with high-percentage passes. He should be voted the league's MVP, a reason I am moving him ahead of reigning MVP Peyton Manning in my rankings. Brady's TD pass-to-interception ratio of 9-to-1 is remarkable.
    Arrow is pointing: Up

    2. Peyton Manning, Indianapolis Colts

    Analysis: Manning hasn't lost anything from his game, just weapons. At times operating with neither a running game nor an inside passing game, Manning had a tough month in which he forced too many passes, resulting in interceptions in bunches. But he showed he still has it in carrying the Colts into the playoffs.
    Arrow is pointing: Flat

    3. Drew Brees, New Orleans Saints

    Analysis: The strange part of this season was his high interceptions total (22, second most in league). Brees is normally a cool customer who makes few mistakes, but teams dropped more defenders into coverage to make it tougher for him to throw deep.
    Arrow is pointing: Flat

    4. Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh Steelers

    Analysis: Roethlisberger grew up as a person after starting the season with a four-game suspension and remained every bit as good as a quarterback. The only knock is his tendency to have low-scoring games against top defenses.
    Arrow is pointing: Flat

    5. Aaron Rodgers, Green Bay Packers

    Analysis: Unable and unwilling to slide, Rodgers will never earn elite baseball status. His inability to slide resulted in a worry about concussions, but his ability to throw and run gives opponents headaches.
    Arrow is pointing: Up

    6. Philip Rivers, San Diego Chargers

    Analysis: Rivers had his best season even though he was missing many of his top offensive weapons. He's a leader who is willing to make tough throws at tough times no matter how tight the coverage.
    Arrow is pointing: Up

    7. Matt Ryan, Atlanta Falcons

    Analysis: In his third season, Ryan evolved into a Super Bowl-caliber quarterback. His extra work in the offseason studying other elite quarterbacks paid off.
    Arrow is pointing: Up

    8. Michael Vick, Philadelphia Eagles

    Analysis: Vick revamped his game by becoming every bit as dangerous throwing from the pocket as he was running out of it. He was the story of the year in the NFL.
    Arrow is pointing: Up

    9. Tony Romo, Dallas Cowboys

    Analysis: A broken left clavicle in late October separated him from an underachieving Cowboys team and turned this season into a mulligan. He still has 4,000-yard ability and a lot of weapons returning next year.
    Arrow is pointing: Flat

    10. Joe Flacco, Baltimore Ravens

    Analysis: At some point, those who like to give me flak about Flacco's elite status will have to concede he has it all. He doesn't throw many interceptions (10 this season); he has a big-time arm; and he wins playoff games (3-2 record).
    Arrow is pointing: Up

    11. Eli Manning, New York Giants

    Analysis: Sure, the Giants had plenty of injuries at wide receiver, but Manning must accept the blame for leading the league in interceptions (25).
    Arrow is pointing: Flat

    12. Matt Schaub, Houston Texans

    Analysis: Schaub established himself as a 4,000-yard thrower the past two years. Too bad he didn't get a chance to play his own defense each week. He would have been a 5,000-yard passer against the porous Texans.
    Arrow is pointing: Up


    CHAD PENNINGTON DIVISION

    13. Josh Freeman, Tampa Bay Buccaneers

    Analysis: With his ability to move his offense for fourth-quarter drives, Freeman has moved ahead of the good class of quarterbacks in 2008. He could easily be elite by his third season.
    Chance of being elite: 85 percent

    14. Sam Bradford, St. Louis Rams

    Analysis: Were he not a rookie, I would immediately make him an elite quarterback as quickly as I did Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco. Only three quarterbacks have thrown for more than 3,000 yards as rookies, and Bradford was one of them.
    Chance of being elite: 99 percent

    15. Carson Palmer, Cincinnati Bengals

    Analysis: Palmer threw five pick-sixes this season, but some of them can be attributed to poor route running by his receivers. He passed for nearly 4,000 yards this season, and he looked good without Chad Ochocinco and Terrell Owens in Week 16. But those 20 interceptions and the 4-12 finish for the Bengals drag him down.
    Chance of being elite: 75 percent

    16. Jay Cutler, Chicago Bears

    Analysis: The combination of Cutler's arm and Mike Martz's play calling helped to win the NFC North. But Cutler threw too many interceptions (16) to advance him back into the elite group he was a member of while with the Broncos in 2008.
    Chance of being elite: 95 percent

    17. Matt Cassel, Kansas City Chiefs

    Analysis: I mean this positively: He's a taller version of Chad Pennington. Give him a good running game and good yards-after-catch receivers, and Cassel will win.
    Chance of being elite: 20 percent

    18. Donovan McNabb, Washington Redskins

    Analysis: He should change his name to Donovan McDissed. McNabb would have had a 4,000-yard season if his receivers were any good. He still can put up solid numbers.
    Chance of being elite: 50 percent

    19. Kyle Orton, Denver Broncos

    Analysis: Orton is a better pocket passer than anyone expected. Had the Broncos not switched to Tim Tebow, Orton would have been a 4,000-yard thrower. If the Broncos try to deal him, he should draw a second-round offer in exchange.
    Chance of being elite: 10 percent

    20. Mark Sanchez, New York Jets

    Analysis: Sanchez didn't suffer a sophomore slump as a second-year starter, but he didn't progress that much, either. Despite having as talented a group of skill players around him as he will ever have as a Jet, Sanchez completed only 54.8 percent of his throws.
    Chance of being elite: 50 percent

    21. David Garrard, Jacksonville Jaguars

    Analysis: His accuracy (64.5 percent) and leadership made the Jaguars a contender for the AFC South a year or two ahead of schedule. His combined work with Maurice Jones-Drew always gives the Jaguars a chance.
    Chance of being elite: 5 percent

    22. Jason Campbell, Oakland Raiders

    Analysis: Even though Tom Cable benched him after six quarters, Campbell rebounded to help double the scoring on a Raiders offense that averaged 12.3 points a game under JaMarcus Russell last season. He almost made Oakland a contender.
    Chance of being elite: 10 percent

    HIT-OR-MISS DIVISION

    23. Matthew Stafford, Detroit Lions

    Analysis: When he's healthy, Stafford could move to the top of my Chad Pennington Division, but he has started only 13 games in two years. Still, he has a strong arm, and he averaged 23.6 points a game this season when he started.
    Chance of being elite: 50 percent

    24. Ryan Fitzpatrick, Buffalo Bills

    Analysis: Face it, Fitzpatrick went from being a good backup to a decent starter. Although he has 4,000-yard potential in Chan Gailey's offense, he has won only 34 percent of his career starts. He teased the Bills enough to make them pass on a first-round quarterback next year.
    Chance of being elite: 5 percent

    25. Vince Young, Tennessee Titans

    Analysis: Young could officially be called a coach-killer if Titans owner Bud Adams keeps him and fires Jeff Fisher, who doesn't want the QB. VY improved his ability to read defenses, but he didn't get an A for studying during the week.
    Chance of being elite: 10 percent

    26. Kevin Kolb, Philadelphia Eagles

    Analysis: If Kevin Kolb is supposed to be the next Matt Schaub, it's appropriate that Michael Vick, whom Schaub backed up in Atlanta, would take away his chance of being a starter. He's accurate and competitive. To get him in a trade, it might cost a team at least first- and third-round choices.
    Chance of being elite: 50 percent

    27. Brett Favre, Minnesota Vikings

    Analysis: Replays of Favre throwing in a pickup game in the Wrangler commercials looked better than what we saw this season. My preseason No. 5 elite quarterback finally got old, and now it's time for him to crank up the tractor and retire for good.
    Chance of being elite: 0 percent

    28. Alex Smith, San Francisco 49ers

    Analysis: This was his make-or-break year, and the season broke the wrong way for Smith, who will enter the No. 1-pick witness protection program that harbors David Carr, Joey Harrington, JaMarcus Russell and others.
    Chance of being elite: 5 percent

    29. Matt Hasselbeck, Seattle Seahawks

    Analysis: Too many interceptions down the stretch could end his reign as the Seahawks' quarterback. He's unsigned after this season; the Seahawks aren't sure whether they want to bring him back.
    Chance of being elite: 5 percent

    30. Chad Henne, Miami Dolphins

    Analysis: Whether you blame head coach Tony Sparano, offensive coordinator Dan Henning or the quarterback himself, Henne regressed this season. The Dolphins' conservative style didn't take advantage of Brandon Marshall.
    Chance of being elite: 25 percent

    31. Kerry Collins, Tennessee Titans

    Analysis: Collins turned 38 on Dec. 30, but he doesn't plan to retire. He's still a good quarterback coming off the bench for extended starts, but his best days are behind him.
    Chance of being elite: 0 percent

    32. Rex Grossman, Washington Redskins

    Analysis: Redskins offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan believes he has something left, but there are more doubters than believers leaguewide.
    Chance of being elite: 1 percent

    33. Colt McCoy, Cleveland Browns

    Analysis: McCoy was supposed to sit and learn this season, but he exceeded expectations with his accuracy and his leadership. In his limited playing time, he was more polished than former Browns QB Brady Quinn.
    Chance of being elite: 10 percent

    34. Jimmy Clausen, Carolina Panthers

    Analysis: Outgoing Panthers coach John Fox restricted Clausen's development by not letting him work out of three- and four-receiver sets. When the coaches spread the field on third downs, Clausen did some good things, but overall I didn't learn much about him this season.
    Chance of being elite: 10 percent

    35. Tim Tebow, Denver Broncos

    Analysis: Everyone knows Tebow is a work in progress. In his second start, the Broncos let him throw screens and passes out of the pocket, but it could take a lot of time to smooth out his mechanics and accuracy.
    Chance of being elite: 5 percent

    36. Derek Anderson-John Skelton-Max Hall, Arizona Cardinals

    Analysis: Ken Whisenhunt should burn the tapes of this season's passing offense. In retrospect, the Cardinals should have acquired Donovan McNabb or simply kept Matt Leinart. Leinart couldn't have been as bad as what we saw from Cardinals quarterbacks this season.
    Chance of being elite: 0 percent

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    these QB Ranking articles by Clayton are retarded.

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    So there are 12 elite qbs? Well Hell Clayton, there are 1000 elite jouralists and you aren't in it.

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    before the season started, ESPN had Chad Henne and Kevin Kolb as the next "elite" NFL QBs.


    so, **** 'em.

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    While I think many will attack him for his perspective on Sanchez, I think he is pretty much dead on in his assessment of him.

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    That ranking seems fair, Sanchez hasn't earned being ranked among the elites yet.

    I do think it's funny that Chad Pennington has become synonymous with mediocrity though.

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    I'm surprised he is that high. I dont know what games you have been watching Sanchez is far from elite.

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    John Clayton has a huge hard-on for the Jets. Hates us. Eff him and his rankings, that weasely looking rat-faced creep.

    I just noticed this blurb: "Despite having as talented a group of skill players around him as he will ever have as a Jet, Sanchez completed only 54.8 percent of his throws."

    So in addition to being a hater, he's predetermined that the Jets will NEVER have better receivers than what they have today. What a doosh.
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    20. Mark Sanchez, New York Jets

    Analysis: Sanchez didn't suffer a sophomore slump as a second-year starter, but he didn't progress that much, either. Despite having as talented a group of skill players around him as he will ever have as a Jet, Sanchez completed only 54.8 percent of his throws.

    Chance of being elite: 50 percent

    So lets see: Sanchez went from a 12 to 20 TD to INT ratio to 17 to 13. He helped to improve the team's win total from 8 (did not start the Buccs Game) to 10 (not counting the Bills game for obvious reasons). Finally he helped rescue the team from defeat against the lions, broncos, browns and texans.

    Not to mention the fact that the "professor" thinks that Kyle Orton, Sam Bradford (currently), Carson Palmer and Donovan McNabb are better at this point!? What is Clayton a professor of exactly?

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    it depends which Sanchez shows up

    if it's the Sanchez who showed up at Pittsburgh, 20 is too low.

    if it's the Sanchez who showed up at NE, 20 is to high.

    the fact that he's so up-and-down means this is a pretty fair rating, no matter what the future holds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by intelligentjetsfan View Post
    20. Mark Sanchez, New York Jets

    Analysis: Sanchez didn't suffer a sophomore slump as a second-year starter, but he didn't progress that much, either. Despite having as talented a group of skill players around him as he will ever have as a Jet, Sanchez completed only 54.8 percent of his throws.

    Chance of being elite: 50 percent

    So lets see: Sanchez went from a 12 to 20 TD to INT ratio to 17 to 13. He helped to improve the team's win total from 8 (did not start the Buccs Game) to 10 (not counting the Bills game for obvious reasons). Finally he helped rescue the team from defeat against the lions, broncos, browns and texans.

    Not to mention the fact that the "professor" thinks that Kyle Orton, Sam Bradford (currently), Carson Palmer and Donovan McNabb are better at this point!? What is Clayton a professor of exactly?
    To say Sanchez hasn't progressed he's obviously only going by stats and not watching all 4 quarters of games. He gives Freeman 4th quarter rally points but doesn't give Sanchez any of his. Sanchez actually has more 4th quarter comebacks this year than Freeman. Also if you actually watched Jet games you'd see all the drops his super "talented" cast cost him TD's. He could easily have 20 plus TD's if Santonio drops one in his hands, Keller, Cotch, & a couple of penalties don't get taken back. Clayton is a really good analyst but he only goes by the numbers. If you only went by numbers then guys like Derek Jeter aren't as good as Miguel Tejada. Or Joe Montana isn't as good as Drew Bries. Seriously now ... Clayton is a numbers guy. The fact that he says Sanchez isn't progressing clearly shows that cause anybody's who's actually watched Sanchez play all season long ... knows he's progressed. He couldn't do half of the things he did this year, last year. If we were down by 2 scores last year the game was over. Hell if we were down by 4 with the ball and 3 minutes left the game was over last year. This year thats not the case and thats mainly due to Mark's development.

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    Schaub and Flacco as elite qb's?

    lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by bitonti View Post
    it depends which Sanchez shows up

    if it's the Sanchez who showed up at Pittsburgh, 20 is too low.

    if it's the Sanchez who showed up at NE, 20 is to high.

    the fact that he's so up-and-down means this is a pretty fair rating, no matter what the future holds.
    Sanchez is very up and down, so is the Jets defense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shevys View Post
    John Clayton has a huge hard-on for the Jets. Hates us. Eff him and his rankings, that weasely looking rat-faced creep.

    I just noticed this blurb: "Despite having as talented a group of skill players around him as he will ever have as a Jet, Sanchez completed only 54.8 percent of his throws."

    So in addition to being a hater, he's predetermined that the Jets will NEVER have better receivers than what they have today. What a doosh.
    Agreed. You could especially see his hatred of us in the Power Rankings, where he consistently voted for us as the best team in the league in the middle part of the season (usually being the only one of the four panelists to do so). It was obviously a ploy to make our eventual fall from grace all the more painful - that's how much he hates us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shevys View Post
    John Clayton has a huge hard-on for the Jets. Hates us. Eff him and his rankings, that weasely looking rat-faced creep.

    I just noticed this blurb: "Despite having as talented a group of skill players around him as he will ever have as a Jet, Sanchez completed only 54.8 percent of his throws."

    So in addition to being a hater, he's predetermined that the Jets will NEVER have better receivers than what they have today. What a doosh.
    That may be the most accurate statement he made. It isn't very likely that the jets (or many other teams), will have a group like the Jets have today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tailgater View Post
    That may be the most accurate statement he made. It isn't very likely that the jets (or many other teams), will have a group like the Jets have today.
    Agreed. 1 through 3, the Jets WRs are outstanding. That's rare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heynowguy View Post
    Sanchez is very up and down, so is the Jets defense.
    the Jets defense is 3rd in the NFL. they are up more than they are down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doggin94it View Post
    Agreed. 1 through 3, the Jets WRs are outstanding. That's rare.
    Cotchery has been far from outstanding this year. Really a surprise too, I thought he would be very good even with less touches as the #3 receiver, but there's been way too many times this season where he's had a case of the dropsies in big moments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LadainianIMnotDONE View Post
    To say Sanchez hasn't progressed he's obviously only going by stats and not watching all 4 quarters of games. He gives Freeman 4th quarter rally points but doesn't give Sanchez any of his. Sanchez actually has more 4th quarter comebacks this year than Freeman. Also if you actually watched Jet games you'd see all the drops his super "talented" cast cost him TD's. He could easily have 20 plus TD's if Santonio drops one in his hands, Keller, Cotch, & a couple of penalties don't get taken back. Clayton is a really good analyst but he only goes by the numbers. If you only went by numbers then guys like Derek Jeter aren't as good as Miguel Tejada. Or Joe Montana isn't as good as Drew Bries. Seriously now ... Clayton is a numbers guy. The fact that he says Sanchez isn't progressing clearly shows that cause anybody's who's actually watched Sanchez play all season long ... knows he's progressed. He couldn't do half of the things he did this year, last year. If we were down by 2 scores last year the game was over. Hell if we were down by 4 with the ball and 3 minutes left the game was over last year. This year thats not the case and thats mainly due to Mark's development.
    I stopped reading at Clayton is a really good analyst oh hold on sh*t. Sorry, I forgot your brother coaches high school football. I'll finish your great post now.

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    Cotchery has been very average this year and has killed the team with drops.

    Keller still inconsistent.

    Even Holmes has had some big drops and fumbles.

    The "receiving weapons" every analyst points to as to make a case as to why Sanchez should be better, haven't really lived up to their share of the bargain.

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