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    Gregg Williams

    Here's a vote that this creep is permanently banned from the NFL. This guy has proven he has no respect for any player in the league. You would hope that this is something that the Players and Owners would agree upon. Thanks for your time, now back to Tebow.

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    If you don't think this happened at some level in every defensive organization you are kidding yourself.

    If it didn't Goodell wouldn't feel the need to 'send a message'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Piper View Post
    If you don't think this happened at some level in every defensive organization you are kidding yourself.

    If it didn't Goodell wouldn't feel the need to 'send a message'
    I think the message Goodell felt he needed to send was to the plaintiffs' lawyers. I also don't agree that every team did it to the extent that the Saints did. It would have come out before now, in some retired player's book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Piper View Post
    If you don't think this happened at some level in every defensive organization you are kidding yourself.

    If it didn't Goodell wouldn't feel the need to 'send a message'
    1. So what if that is the case. The message needed to be sent

    2. What the Saints did goes beyond the defensive organization. Someone who wasn't connected directly with the organization was contributing money to the pool


    An NFL memo to all of its clubs details yet more of what is becoming one of the biggest sports scandals in recent NFL history. Details of the memo were obtained by me from a team official. Here is a summary of what parts of the memo states.

    Funds for the Saints bounty system, the memo states, weren't solely contributed by players. People close to the Saints team contributed as well. One was a felon: Michael Ornstein.

    Ornstein was once Reggie Bush's marketing agent and is close friends with Saints coach Sean Payton. Ornstein spent time in prison for fraud and the Saints -- somewhat -- have cut ties with Ornstein.

    But in 2009 Ornstein was a fixture around the Saints site. The NFL memo to teams state that then Ornstein pledged $10,000 towards the quarterback bounty in 2009.

    Then, on at least two occasions in 2011, Ornstein again contributed to a bounty fund on an opposing quarterback.

    The NFL memo also states there was a bounty paper trail. Ornstein put details of the bounty system in an e-mail to Payton, according to the NFL memo. In that e-mail, Ornstein committed $5,000 towards yet another bounty.
    This is why the Saints got hit so hard. Management knew that outside people were paying players to injure opposing players. This is far beyond even players having a pool for themselves, or just mgmt being involved.

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    The NFL is not the Pink Panty League. Football is played by rough guys and hard hits are part of the game. Every one of them is a warrior.

    Williams was wrong, but pretending he is different than most of the players/coaches is living in dreamland.

    In college, they give out "bounties" for big hits by defenders. Typically, they are visible stickers on the helmet.

    Many teams had similar programs, they just didn't get caught and/or didn't continue them after Goodell told them to stop.

    Bottom line: Williams wasn't the outlier that you think he was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Digetydog View Post
    The NFL is not the Pink Panty League. Football is played by rough guys and hard hits are part of the game. Every one of them is a warrior.

    Williams was wrong, but pretending he is different than most of the players/coaches is living in dreamland.

    In college, they give out "bounties" for big hits by defenders. Typically, they are visible stickers on the helmet.

    Many teams had similar programs, they just didn't get caught and/or didn't continue them after Goodell told them to stop.

    Bottom line: Williams wasn't the outlier that you think he was.
    I'm kinda groovin' on this Digetydog poster...welcom to the fold!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Digetydog View Post
    The NFL is not the Pink Panty League. Football is played by rough guys and hard hits are part of the game. Every one of them is a warrior.

    Williams was wrong, but pretending he is different than most of the players/coaches is living in dreamland.

    In college, they give out "bounties" for big hits by defenders. Typically, they are visible stickers on the helmet.

    Many teams had similar programs, they just didn't get caught and/or didn't continue them after Goodell told them to stop.

    Bottom line: Williams wasn't the outlier that you think he was.
    Well said.

    I want to add that between the defenseless player rules and this ridiculous verdict from the commissioner that I think this is all tied back to the pending class-action suit against the NFL by the NFLPA alumni and the owners are trying to guard their asses.

    Either that or Goodell is a massive wuss and needs to be thrown out as Commissioner in favor of Ditka immediately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Piper View Post
    If you don't think this happened at some level in every defensive organization you are kidding yourself.

    If it didn't Goodell wouldn't feel the need to 'send a message'
    +1

    Never mind the fact that REx's Dad all but invented it, and his son (guaranteed) has been involved in running something similar.

    This was "the team that got caught badly will pay for them all" decision by the commissioner, due (primarily) to the much higher level of legal scrutitny over the NFL, how it protects it's players, and how those players operate in the NFL 'workplace".

    Got to remember, being a sport does not invalidate all federal workplace laws, and the NFL is already facing a number of suits with more to come.

    This was a "see, we DO stuff" move by the commish.

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