You're probably correct in the assessment.
But they are sadly, sadly mistaken. This does not and will not change a single vote. People who care enough about this issue to even pay attention to this had already made up their minds.
The smart move now is to accept defeat and wait... but as we know, they rarely make the smart move.
Sorry, q. It's over.
The only way to fix this now is from scratch. Total destruction followed by a rebuild. Band aids are no longer going to work. That's all Romney is, but we're gushing from the jugular.
We're better off letting this law go into full effect. And every other Obama policy. Might as well give him another 4 years. Then just sit back and let it all implode. Because it will, bank on it. Then, maybe then, will the people out there celebrating today stop and consider the consequences of their actions beyond their little campaign slogans.
Only when we reach sufficient awareness of our own stupidity will we ever be able to move forward together.
Are you a citizen of the State you happen to live in or a citizen of the US? As someone who has citizenship I don't believe any state has the power to remove themselves and their citizens from that compact. I can move and work anywhere within the borders, own property, etc. No State can or should be able take away my rights of citizenship.
I am a citizen of both.
And 70% Americans "belive" in angels.As someone who has citizenship I don't believe any state has the power to remove themselves and their citizens from that compact.Belief is irrelavant, Law and the potential subsequent use of Force and counterforce are what counts.
As Doggin has said, and I tend to reluctantly agree, there is no legal mechanic in our Law to leave the Union unilaterally. It would require both the break-off region AND the U.S> Federal Govt. to approve any succession.
That is supported by the Civil War. Even if 100% of the citizens of Region X wanted to, the ideals of democracy, liberty and the human right that is freedom of self-determination would not matter whatsoever in such a desire without the approval of the to-be-left-Nation as a whole.
But if that population engaged in the use of enough force, that would be the only route to leaving the Union. The same exact way we left the British Empire. Without use of force, we're all eating mince pie today.
And none would. In any such sceanario, it would be up to the Untied States (sans whatever section left in this hypothetical) if your citizenship was retained or revoked or not, not the break-off nascient nationstate.No State can or should be able take away my rights of citizenship.
The breakoff nationstate could/would only have power to determine your citizenship options with them for their residents, should they wish to take advantage. Certainly, "U.S. loyalists" may not even be offered citizenship int he first place.
For example, in the U.S. Revolutionary War, the British considered all Americans to still be British Citizens, and at least a number of them left for England at the outbreak of War and never returned, living their and their offsprings lives as loyal British subjects in Britain.
great.
Anyway...
Didn't Quebec have a vote to leave Canada a decade or so ago (edit:1995)? They voted not to leave. I'm not sure how close it was (very close) but it is interesting that there are avenues within their constitution to allow such a thing. Does the US not have those same avenues?
But I really don't think there is anything close to a 51% majority in any single state to leave the union so it never really gets discussed seriously (no offense to minor conversations that have taken place).
To those that may be in favor of leaving, do they feel that it must be a State as the smallest body that can leave? why not a county or town? Must at least 51% of the population of that State/county/town want to leave? There may be ways that a strong 30% minority to get their way perhaps?
Still would like Warfish's take on Seasteading, especially now that he has what looks like the Great White Fleet as his sig. Look it up and tell me what you think. Is it really a Libertarian dream?
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