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    A few others and I were discussing the upcoming Super Bowl in Detroit (2006) on another thread and decided to fill you all in on the impending disaster that is Super Bowl XL. I'm sure there's a couple of you on this board who has a connection and gets to a lot of the big games. There are others that predict that possibly the Jets (or Pats) will be in this Super Bowl and that they have a trip to Detroit to plan. Before you do: BEWARE

    I truly feel sorry for people coming to Detroit in 2006 who have no idea what Detroit is like. All the Pre-Super Bowl hoopla is going to be impossible to duplicate in Detroit. People will be bored out of their minds. Snow and subzero temps will be the norm. They're going to think they are in Bosnia by the time they get downtown. I'm not lying, I'm not going overboard when I say that Detroit resembles Bosnia. I should know I was there. Instead of "Detroit City Limit" signs, they should read, "Abandon All Hope All Ye Who Enter Here" because yes, it is that bad. Every town has its bad section, we know that. Well in Detroit, you have to strugle to find the 'good section' of town, and to be honest there aren't many. Entire city blocks that 50 years ago were filled with houses and families are completely gone. I mean they are empty fields (if the neighbors are lucky) or rows upon rows of empty, abandoned, and burned out houses. If you had a nickel for every working street light in Detroit you might be able to pay for a movie ticket. Street signs aren't for traffic in Detroit, the ones that are actually still up are merely targets. The roads resemble the lunar surface. The Police Department is woefully understaffed, underpaid and overworked.

    There is really nothing to see in Detroit. Museums, shops, etc are very few and far between. The streets are so unsafe that you don't just go for a walk when you feel like it, besides there's nowhere to go. Detroit has had close to 60 murders in about 2 1/2 months. There are really few resturants to visit in Detroit. There is NO SUCH thing as downtown shopping....because no retail stores exist...anywhere!! The city services in Detroit: Laughable. For a mere 3% income tax assesment on top of your property taxes, you get nothing. At one point Detroit had 176 water main breaks this winter. 176!! And they couldn't get to them fast enough. This winter, I'm not making this up, and entire neigborhood was FLOODED and then subsequently FROZEN in after a water main broke and gushed for a week straight without any maintenance whatsoever. Cars and yards were caught in a foot of sheer ice. And this city is going to put a super bowl on???

    Yes the downtown area, at least the area around the new Lions and Tigers stadiums has improved in recent years but that success is about it. For 25 years they had a mayor that ran the city into the ground and continued to dig. They've yet to recover and by the looks of it they never will. Their best chance was their last mayor, Dennis Archer, who went in with great intentions, worked his ass off, but faced so much opposition that at last he couldn't take it anymore and left, to become the first african-american head of the ABA. The guy was their best hope and despite his hard work, it couldn't get done.



    If you haven't heard, here's the latest on the impending disaster / next black eye that is Super Bowl XL in Detroit.

    1) They promised the NFL 'X' amount of hotel rooms by the Super Bowl. Factored into 'X' when they were awarded the game, were the 3 'soon to be built' permanent casinos with hotels. (We've had 'temp' casions for 3-4 years now&#39.........They (Casinos/Mayor/City Council) haven't even agreed on a location for the 3 sites, let alone broken ground on them yet!!!!!

    1a. The once grand Book-Cadillac Hotel, once the jewel of the midwest, which has been abandonded, vandalized and stripped for close to 20 years, was scheduled to gutten, renovated and opened for the Super Bowl. The company that agreed to do it backed out. It once again sits empty. INTERESTING SIDENOTE: The basement of the Book-Cadillac Hotel has so much water in it that you can actually SCUBA dive in it if you wanted.

    1b. Because of this "X' amount of hotel rooms promised to the NFL and Detroit's inability to meet the requirements within its own city limits, Detroit is counting/reserving hotel space anywhere from 30-60 miles away and counting it towards 'X'. Detroit/Metro Detroit has an abyssmal public transportation system and the highways are a mess. You do the math. Add the increased Super Bowl traffic, super bowl security and everything else and it equals Sheer Gridlock.

    2. Detroit set out on a mission to tear down/eliminate/clean up every abandoned/burned out building in the vicinity of the stadium and all its likely SB week activities. Yep, just knock down enough to make the visitors think that the city is in good shape. It wasn't clean the city of the buildings, it was, putting lopstick on a pig. Clean up just enough of them, especially in the areas where the visitors will travel and hangout, that it looks presentable. Meanwhile 2 blocks away it still looks like WWI era Berlin. They haven't torn down a single building yet!!! They haven't even touched one. City Council indecisions, deadbeat owners 'holding out for a good deal' and so-called 'preservationist' groups continue to fight progress. I'm not just talking houses and old buisnesses, I'm talking entire gutted out apartment buildings and 10 story former hotels and office buildings.


    Area within dotted line to get facelift, area outside still a warzone.

    2a. This year in Houston, Detroit sent a delegation to showcase the upcoming SB in Detroit and promote it. At their booth in Houston, they had a mural of the Detroit skyline which looked great to the out of town guy. But when I looked at it, I noticed they had editied out approx 5-7 buildings, I mean tall ones, that were currently unoccupied. They edited the mural to leave buildings out!! Pathetic.

    3. Detroit set out to completely renovate and beautify the surrounding/downtown streetscape.....haven't planted as much as a tree or replaced a much as a section of sidewalk.

    4. Detroit set out to repave and beautify the three main 'gateways' into Detroit. Haven't as much as patched a pot hole yet.


    If you'd like to see a website that truly illustrates just how bad Detroit is, check this out.


    http://detroityes.com/


    A more detailed look at Detroit's preparation or lack thereof:

    http://www.detnews.com/2004/metro/0401/29/...9/a01-49421.htm


    Super Bowl XL is going to be a mess. It's going to be a black eye for a city that has taken one too many punches to the head already. If you plan on coming this way: BEWARE.

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    Cool.

    Did the NFL get pressured into putting a game there from one of their sponsors?

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    Hey Pat, so what are you trying to say????? LOL

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    Originally posted by PFSIKH@Mar 15 2004, 02:24 PM
    Cool.

    Did the NFL get pressured into putting a game there from one of their sponsors?
    I'm sure there was some pressure from the Ford family and also some pressure to give a city like Detroit, supposedly trying to come back, a chance at a 'big game'. It has to be...because there is no chance a city likde Detroit can compete with a city like New Orleans, Miami, etc for what they can offer the 'big game'.

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    I'd say the Ford Corparation, which owns the Lions (although not directly) have a lot to do with this.....

    They probably strong-armed the NFL into a game due to the costs of building the new stadium....For anyone who just watches the game on TV (which is the vast majority), it won't matter....It looks like a nice field.

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    Originally posted by jetfan13@Mar 15 2004, 02:33 PM
    Hey Pat, so what are you trying to say????? LOL

    Detroit

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    Originally posted by Riggins44@Mar 15 2004, 02:35 PM
    I'd say the Ford Corparation, which owns the Lions (although not directly) have a lot to do with this.....

    They probably strong-armed the NFL into a game due to the costs of building the new stadium....For anyone who just watches the game on TV (which is the vast majority), it won't matter....It looks like a nice field.
    The stadium/field itself is absolutely beautiful. They did everything right when they build this place. Tons of concessions, an outreagous number of bathrooms and super wide concorses. It's a beautuful place to watch a football game.

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    you think Detroit is boring?

    Try Jacksonville. Detroit at least has a nightlife. Maybe you don't know where to go

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    Originally posted by jets2777@Mar 15 2004, 02:42 PM
    you think Detroit is boring?

    Try Jacksonville. Detroit at least has a nightlife. Maybe you don't know where to go
    The suburbs have a nightlife. Detroit can't even keep its night spots. Space Nightclub just bailed for Pontiac.

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    Gun, you need ROBOCOP!

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    1) The last time Detroit hosted a Super Bowl (49ers-Bengals), wasn't there a huge icestorm so half the crowd got there late?

    2) What do you expect out of the city that Mike Wilbon declared worse than Beirut?

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    Reading this thread I keep having visions of Flint Michigan from that movie Roger and Me.

    Saw it on cable a few weeks ago. Man was that city F-ed up.

    Has it gotten any better since?

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    Gun, you need ROBOCOP!
    hahah seriously...Im not coming to Detroit in '06 unless I see Robocop, 8 Mile Road, and Vinny "Microwave" Johnson


    Guns, you seriously have me frightened to ever set foot in the D

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    Originally posted by THE_SOOTHSAYER@Mar 15 2004, 02:18 PM
    Reading this thread I keep having visions of Flint Michigan from that movie Roger and Me.

    Saw it on cable a few weeks ago. Man was that city F-ed up.

    Has it gotten any better since?
    With the race to the bottom business climate we've seen over the last twenty years or so its hard to imagine how things could be any better in nothern Michigan or any of the other so-called "rust belt" areas in the United States.

    Upstate NY is in the same boat.

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    I always wondered where they filmed "Escape from New York" and "Escape from L.A."

    Of course, it the Jets are fortunate enough to win Super Bowl XL, Detroit will instantly supplant New Orleans as my favorite American city.

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    Originally posted by THE_SOOTHSAYER@Mar 15 2004, 03:18 PM
    Reading this thread I keep having visions of Flint Michigan from that movie Roger and Me.

    Saw it on cable a few weeks ago. Man was that city F-ed up.

    Has it gotten any better since?
    Sooth....If I can be so bold as to say......Detroit is probably worse than Flint. Flint is bad, don't get me wrong, by Detroit is worse and probably twice as big. If you are curious, Flint recently ousted its mayor and is near bankruptcy.

    In its hey day in the mid 50s, Detroit's population was 2.1 Million people. Not it's approx. 950,000. In other words you have 950,000 living in an infrastructre originally designed for 2.1. million people. You can only imagine what the city looks like with almost 1.2 million people less then it was designed for at its apex. It's amazing to see the vast tracts of opened land, abandoned golf courses that the wilderness has reclaimed, and entire neighborhoods that look like they got bombed.

    EZV...I carry a gun and prefer not to go down there if i don't have to.

    Every year the North American Auto Show is held in Detroit and I have a side gig driving for VW.I basically drive Germans around, to and from the airport, their hotels, appointments, etc. Last year when I was driving I they were talking in German and didn't know I spoke German. During the course of their conversation two Germans literally said, "this place looks like Bosnia", and the kicker. "this place looks like it got bombed by the luftwaffe". When the guy made the last luftwaffe comment I couldn't control myself and started laughing uncontrollably. Shocked that I spoke German and understood them, they got quiet until I told them it was ok.

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    Originally posted by tailgators+Mar 15 2004, 03:28 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (tailgators @ Mar 15 2004, 03:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--THE_SOOTHSAYER@Mar 15 2004, 02:18 PM
    Reading this thread I keep having visions of Flint Michigan from that movie Roger and Me.

    Saw it on cable a few weeks ago. Man was that city F-ed up.

    Has it gotten any better since?
    With the race to the bottom business climate we&#39;ve seen over the last twenty years or so its hard to imagine how things could be any better in nothern Michigan or any of the other so-called "rust belt" areas in the United States.

    Upstate NY is in the same boat. [/b][/quote]
    Tail...you are correct. The rust belt as a whole has been in bad shape for a while. But I think the difference is that other cities, there has been hope. There has been progress, an attempt to move towards a new industry or something else to bring prosperity back. There are plans and they aare executed. Cities such as Cleveland made them work and &#39;came back&#39; so to speak.

    Well in Detroit there is no hope. There is just this giant sense of hopelessness. There is no grand vision, no grand plan to bring Detroit out of its longtime despair and as of now there continues to be none.

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    a number of years ago my uncle had to go to detroit on budiness.
    he told us it reminded him of " berlin after the war " * .

    * berlin, germany was heavily bombed by the allies during world war II.

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    Tail...you are correct. The rust belt as a whole has been in bad shape for a while. But I think the difference is that other cities, there has been hope. There has been progress, an attempt to move towards a new industry or something else to bring prosperity back. There are plans and they aare executed. Cities such as Cleveland made them work and &#39;came back&#39; so to speak.

    Well in Detroit there is no hope. There is just this giant sense of hopelessness. There is no grand vision, no grand plan to bring Detroit out of its longtime despair and as of now there continues to be none.
    Not in upstate NY, cities like Rochester, Utica and Schenectady are dying. It&#39;s gotten out of hand and unless something can be done to stem the tide of jobs being sent offshore then it&#39;s doubtful if they&#39;ll ever be able to recover.

    This is why it will be next to impossible for the State of New York to ever justify spending close to 1/2 billion dollars to fund the construction of a new stadium for the JETS.

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    I go to Detroit every once in a while for work, it has improved a lot. There are Casinos now and a downtown area. Its much better with more to do than Jackonvile or even Tampa. What i call the 2 most boring towns ever. Weather may be a problem but there is stuff to do. And the outlining area Deerborn, Birmingham, Pontiac, have good places to eat and places to go.

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