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    http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football...7p-194701c.html

    The trouble with Quincy

    By RICH CIMINI
    DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER

    The Jets think troubled backup QB Quincy Carter is worth the risk.
    Imagine being such a gifted high-school athlete that one of your coaches tells you, "God made you different than other people."

    Imagine going to a football-crazy college and, after two years away from the sport, becoming the school's first true freshman in 50 years to start at quarterback on opening day.

    Imagine being so revered in your hometown that a church holds a revival in your honor, praying for your well-being as you prepare to embark on a career in the NFL.

    It all happened to Quincy Carter, one of the most famous football players to come out of the state of Georgia. You could call it a charmed life, although there are legions of fans in Athens, Ga., and Dallas who would choke on their barbecue if they heard that.

    In those cities, Carter's last two football stops, the pattern was the same: He arrived with great hype and tantalized the masses with his wondrous ability, only to exit before his time was up. In both cases, it ended bitterly amid scurrilous questions about his character.

    He's not a good finisher. The Jets hope he never gets a chance to start.

    Three weeks after getting fired by the Cowboys, who once hailed him as their quarterback of the future, Carter is a $555,000 insurance policy for the Jets. It's a marriage of convenience: The Jets get an experienced backup to Chad Pennington; Carter gets a chance to rehabilitate his tarnished image.

    "I think it's a win-win for everybody," coach Herman Edwards says.

    For the first time in his career, Carter, 26, isn't burdened by high expectations. From his perspective, this is a one-year detour on the way back to the fast track - at least that's how he explained it to friends. Considering his past, he may want to slow down a bit.

    Carter has been described as a con man, a charmer who invariably leaves his bosses disappointed. In three seasons with the Cowboys, he reportedly flunked two drug tests, with the result of the second positive surfacing at the time of his stunning release. He reportedly has been admitted twice to rehab, and there have been rumors of cocaine use, which he emphatically denies.

    "I just refuse to believe he has gone down that road (of cocaine)," Steve Davenport, one of Carter's former high-school coaches and friend, told the Atlanta-Journal Constitution. "Even so, as most mortals do, he has some issues and demons to fight."

    Carter has been dogged by drug rumors since his days at Georgia, where he went from a freshman phenom to a junior bum. His play declined so dramatically that overzealous fans and boosters started whispering about possible game-fixing.

    "I can tell you, unequivocally, that's not true," former Georgia coach Jim Donnan told the News.

    Donnan believes Carter struggled as a junior because his talented supporting cast was gone. Aware of the drug rumors, Donnan conducted his own investigation. As a matter of course, he called the local authorities and the FBI. He said the rumors were unfounded. Asked if Carter ever failed a drug test, Donnan said, "Not to my knowledge."

    Carter bolted for the NFL after his junior year, entering the 2001 draft. According to an NFC scout with close ties to the Georgia program, "No one was unhappy that he left. They didn't try to talk him into staying."

    Even though they had a young Pennington on the bench, the Jets showed more pre-draft interest in Carter than every team except the Cowboys, Donnan said. In a shocker, the Cowboys chose him in Round 2. Donnan was fired after Carter's final season. Donnan still wishes him well, but they don't talk much anymore.

    That the Jets were willing to take a chance on Carter raises questions, considering they already have two players in the league's substance-abuse program - defensive linemen John Abraham and Josh Evans. Edwards is counting on the team's strongest leaders, namely Pennington and Curtis Martin, to provide the necessary support. "I think our team will embrace Quincy and we'll do everything we can to help him," Edwards says.

    Privately, the Cowboys say that Carter's demise went beyond the substance abuse. After an offseason in which he worked hard to reduce his interception total (21) - Carter studied tapes of Peyton Manning's footwork and Michael Vick's release - Carter reported to training camp with a sour attitude.

    He argued with assistant Sean Payton, complained about a lack of practice reps and, perhaps showing insecurity, boasted that "this football team knows who its starter is." That didn't sit well with coach Bill Parcells, who doesn't believe in handing jobs to incumbents.

    It was telling that, upon Carter's surprising release, not one veteran expressed disappointment.

    In 2002, Carter almost got cut after a confrontation with owner Jerry Jones in Arizona on the sideline. The offensive coordinator was former Jets coach Bruce Coslet, now a Cincinnati consultant. Coslet, through a Bengals spokesman, said he didn't want to be interviewed for a story about Carter.

    Carter always dreamed big. As an eighth-grader in Decatur, Ga., he wrote an essay saying he would play someday for the Cowboys and the Chicago Cubs. Sure enough, he was drafted by the Cubs and spent three seasons in the minors before enrolling at Georgia. He couldn't hit a curveball.

    In Decatur, Carter is an icon. Before leaving for his first Cowboys minicamp in 2001, he was celebrated at the New Birth Missionary Baptist Church. Kneeling at the altar, he was surrounded by clergymen, all of whom touched his head and led the congregation in prayer.

    "He's made for greatness," says Buck Godfrey, who coached Carter at Southwest DeKalb High. "Hopefully, this (adversity) will teach him responsibility to himself and the people he hurt in the process. Life has twists and turns. You haven't seen the last of him."

    Then Godfrey pauses. "I just wish he'd give me a call," he says. "That would help me out a lot."

    They don't talk much anymore.

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    Q doesn't come off well in this. No matter-he'll have to be a good citizen if he ever wants to have a starting job after this. I'm skeptical of this move, but I see that it makes sense and costs only reasonable money. If Q acts up or stinks, he'll be gone.

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    This article is obviously not too flattering about Carter-right now he gives us experienced NFL QB as a backup to come in if needed .
    There is no question he has strong arm and good mobility but what is in his head seems to be the problem with his career so far.

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    I'm not trying to defend Quincy Carter but it sounds to me like the church wished him well to the NFL in hopes Quincy would deposit his first NFL check in their coffers.

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    Thanks for finding that & posting.

    The article is slanted in the same way most press
    is on Q, and riddled with inaccuracies. I will parse it
    for that if somebody cares to hear it.

    "He's made for greatness," says Buck Godfrey, who coached Carter at Southwest DeKalb High. "Hopefully, this (adversity) will teach him responsibility to himself and the people he hurt in the process. Life has twists and turns. You haven't seen the last of him."

    This is my view of it also.

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    Originally posted by CowboyRoy@Aug 29 2004, 04:44 PM
    Thanks for finding that & posting.

    The article is slanted in the same way most press
    is on Q, and riddled with inaccuracies. I will parse it
    for that if somebody cares to hear it.

    "He's made for greatness," says Buck Godfrey, who coached Carter at Southwest DeKalb High. "Hopefully, this (adversity) will teach him responsibility to himself and the people he hurt in the process. Life has twists and turns. You haven't seen the last of him."

    This is my view of it also.

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    Hey Roy.........how do you feel about having VT as your QB now..........

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    Jet girl Im a cowboys fan , How should I feel with Vinny as our Qb?


    In regards to Carter I dont think he really was ever liked in dallas. And alot of it had to do with the color of his skin then anything else.


    Aikman Staubach,Merideth

    I just dont think he ever got a fair shake from the fans down there or the media. He's a young qb whos improved every season and I think hes got a chance to become a very good qb in the league.

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    I wonder why the JETS were so interested in QUINCEY even though they had CHAD? That was when CHAD was not too well thought of by HERM! HMMMMMMMMM!

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    Originally posted by Kentucky Jet@Aug 29 2004, 05:49 PM
    I wonder why the JETS were so interested in QUINCEY even though they had CHAD? That was when CHAD was not too well thought of by HERM! HMMMMMMMMM!
    Back in those days, many Jet vets were saying Chad hadn't shown anything yet. Remember Curtis Martin gave an interview back in 2002, a few games after Chad picked the team up off the floor? Basically, he had never seen the Chad Pennington who was now performing on gameday. Never thought he had it.

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    was it ever proved it was cocaine? i thought it was just weed

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    and that is my point1 They did not think CHAD could do the job! But when he got the chance he did well. This was a panic move to sign CARTER! He will be given intensive training for a year and leave. who gewts screwed? BB and RR! It takes time for a guy to learn the WCO! CARTER won't learn it in 10 years! He still can not read defenses!

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    Originally posted by Kentucky Jet@Aug 29 2004, 07:30 PM
    and that is my point1 They did not think CHAD could do the job! But when he got the chance he did well. This was a panic move to sign CARTER! He will be given intensive training for a year and leave. who gewts screwed? BB and RR! It takes time for a guy to learn the WCO! CARTER won't learn it in 10 years! He still can not read defenses!
    If Chad goes down, an experienced QB playing with even 25% of a playbook is much better than an inexperienced QB.

    It's just an insurance bet. No reason to panic.

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    Originally posted by djaparz@Aug 29 2004, 05:45 PM
    was it ever proved it was cocaine? i thought it was just weed
    Speaking of Cocaine-

    I think that's why the NBA olympic team didn't do so well.

    Drug tests.

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    Hey Roy.........how do you feel about having VT as your QB now..........
    I don't like it. Vinny of 5 years ago would have been
    a good option for the Cowboys' situation, but I have
    him lasting about 5 games this year. Then there's
    nobody behind him with any NFL snaps - exact reason
    Herm signed Carter.

    Even before the drug failure, I was in favor of signing F/A's
    Collins or Warner and putting Q at #2 unless he could beat
    them out in camp. Why. You had the league's #1 defense
    last year. You will be addressing needs at RB and DE (we
    did). This SHOULD give you a team capable of challenging
    for SBXXXIX, if you have a veteran pressing the buttons
    at QB rather than a half-completed project. Make a "now"
    move, and look at Carter again in a year or two.

    Perfect example is what Tampa did in 2002 after signing
    Brad Johnson. Not a HOF guy, but a proven veteran.

    Now we have a ripe defense, that has to wait on yet another
    project QB in Henson. There's a lot of discontent on our board
    about BP's offseason, over the veterans he didn't sign at
    QB and also CB.

    - CowboyRoy

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    was it ever proved it was cocaine? i thought it was just weed
    There is no confirmed info, including Q even
    being in the Substance Abuse Program.

    But we think it is strike 2, for pot.

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    Originally posted by CowboyRoy@Aug 29 2004, 09:33 PM
    Hey Roy.........how do you feel about having VT as your QB now..........
    I don't like it. Vinny of 5 years ago would have been
    a good option for the Cowboys' situation, but I have
    him lasting about 5 games this year.
    Roy I think Vinny has forgotten what kind of slave driver The Tuna can be. Parcells will use him up. Nothing short of a season ending injury will put him on the bench if BP is calling the shots now that Carter is gone.

    Wxpect at least 10-12 games from Vinny.

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    I don't question Vinny's will or toughness anyway, and
    I feel he sees this shot as his last hurrah in the NFL.
    Maybe he will avoid the big hits and get reborn like
    Randall Cunningham did on the Vikings.

    But he's 41, and our OL remains a problem.

    So I don't think so... ;>)

    - CowboyRoy

    :o

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    :ph34r: we could bring in the pope and someone would find something negative to say.

    Get off of Q Carters jock strap....the planet knows that he has two strikes against him...it's nothing new.....he's now a Jet.

    Everyday another stupid article about the same thing.


    Sheeesh

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    And so it Begins. This is what I meant when I said Welcome to our nightmare... now it's yours. Quincy carter comes with a damage control team and he will use the race card in the locker room and his fans will on here. You'll not be allowed to criticize his performance without being labeled a racist. You will learn what an exQuse is. I have never see a subject divide a fan base more than Quincy Carter and his followers will stir up racial tension between black and white fans. There are a few die hard backers still hanging on but by far the largest majority of Cowboys fans are very happy he's gone.

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    :ph34r: Quincy Carter can't read defenses?

    Hmmm he had one full year as a starter.....yeh he had more interceptions that TD's but he threw for more passes than any Cowboys QB since 1995....won 10 games and led the team to the playoffs as a third year player. Everyone is making these assesments about the man after one (1) full year as starter.

    Troy Aikman had more Interceptions than Touchdowns his first year as a starter.
    kinda pre mature to judge Carter after only one year as a starter while throwing for over 3,000 yards. I was watching the 2003 Cowboys on ESPN and yes he made mistakes but the man had a fine year for a youg QB........we get him and all of a sudden everything you see about the man is negative.....hios off the field antics (no proof it was cocaine) and his on the field play (Carter had better stats than a few starters in 2003).

    Cowboys11 this is the East Coast and there will be no racial division here...unlike Dallas the East Coast is with the 21st century race wise. You said getting Carter was getting your nightmare.....well thanks for the gift!!!!!

    It's funny how all this comes out after he's gone.

    The Cowboys are in for a long year....they looked horrid (1st team offense) in both games and will look the same vs the Titans tommorrow.

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