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    Insider: 2004 SportsLine.com Pro Bowl teams Dec. 22, 2004
    By Pete Prisco
    SportsLine.com Senior Writer
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    The Pro Bowl voting is part popularity vote, which doesn't always do the players justice. When fans are involved, it's going to be that way, especially since their votes count a third in choosing the two teams.




    Peyton Manning is an easy choice as the AFC's starting QB. (AP)
    To help get a better gauge of what we think should be the real Pro Bowl teams, we talked with a handful of scouts and personnel directors to come up with our own Pro Bowl teams.

    Popularity matters little here.

    This is based on football. Forget salary. Forget name recognition. Forget what happened in the past.

    This Pro Bowl team is based on production. Reputation is damned.

    If your name is here, you've earned it -- at least in the eyes of the scouts and, most importantly, me.

    So here are the 2004 SportsLine.com Pro Bowl teams.


    AFC offense
    Quarterback

    Starter: Peyton Manning, Colts.
    Reserves: Drew Brees, Chargers; Tom Brady, Patriots.
    Just missed: Trent Green, Chiefs.
    Comment: Who else could be the starter but Manning? The choice of Brady over Green was a tough one.

    Running back

    Starter: Curtis Martin, Jets.
    Reserves: Edgerrin James, Colts; Corey Dillon, Patriots.
    Just missed: LaDainian Tomlinson, Chargers; Fred Taylor, Jaguars; Rudi Johnson, Bengals.
    Comment: A deep, deep position, with Martin and James the definitive choices since they are 1-2 in the league.

    Fullback

    Starter: Daimon Shelton, Bills.
    Just missed: Lorenzo Neal, Chargers.
    Comment: Shelton is a sledgehammer blocking linebackers.

    Wide receiver

    Starters: Jimmy Smith, Jaguars; Chad Johnson, Bengals.
    Reserves: Marvin Harrison, Colts; Andre Johnson, Texans.
    Just missed: Derrick Mason, Titans; Drew Bennett, Titans.
    Comment: Smith leads the top receivers in yards per catch at 16.4, while Johnson just edges out Harrison.

    Tight end

    Starter: Antonio Gates, Chargers.
    Reserve: Tony Gonzalez, Chiefs.
    Just missed: Randy McMichael, Dolphins.
    Comment: Gates has proved to be a big-play pass receiver, which might open the door for more basketball-playing tight ends.

    Tackle

    Starters: Willie Roaf, Chiefs; Marvel Smith, Steelers.
    Reserve: Jonathan Ogden, Ravens.
    Just missed: Willie Anderson, Bengals.
    Comment: Roaf continues to improve with age, while Smith had a dominant year for the Steelers.

    Guard

    Starters: Brian Waters, Chiefs; Alan Faneca, Steelers.
    Reserve: Rick DeMulling, Colts.
    Just missed: Pete Kendall, Jets; Edwin Mulitalo, Ravens; Will Shields, Chiefs.
    Comment: Waters is now the best guard in the AFC, while Faneca is close behind.

    Center

    Starter: Jeff Saturday, Colts.
    Reserve: Kevin Mawae, Jets.
    Just missed: Jeff Hartings, Steelers.
    Comment: Saturday is the guy who makes all the line calls in the Colts' complicated offense.


    AFC defense
    End

    Starters: Dwight Freeney, Colts; John Abraham, Jets.
    Reserve: Richard Seymour, Patriots.
    Just missed: Aaron Smith, Steelers.
    Comment: Freeney is as explosive as they come, while Abraham is again playing like he did two years ago.

    Tackle

    Starters: John Henderson, Jaguars; Marcus Stroud, Jaguars.
    Reserve: Jamal Williams, Chargers.
    Just missed: Dewayne Robertson, Jets.
    Comment: Henderson has played slightly better than Stroud the past month. Williams is the best 3-4 tackle this season.

    Outside linebacker

    Starters: Keith Bulluck, Titans; Terrell Suggs, Ravens.
    Reserve: Joey Porter, Steelers.
    Just missed: Eric Barton, Jets.
    Comment: Bulluck remains a steady player for the Titans, while Suggs has become much more than a sack specialist.

    Inside linebacker

    Starter: Donnie Edwards, Chargers.
    Reserves: Ray Lewis, Ravens; James Farrior, Steelers.
    Just missed: Al Wilson, Broncos; Jonathan Vilma, Jets.
    Comment: This is a strong position in the AFC, and Edwards has been a key to the resurgence of the Chargers. He gets a slight edge over Lewis.

    Cornerback

    Starters: Sam Madison, Dolphins; Dunta Robinson, Texans (rookie).
    Reserves: Champ Bailey, Broncos.
    Just missed: Tory James, Bengals; Patrick Surtain, Dolphins; Rashean Mathis, Jaguars.
    Comment: Madison is having a nice bounce-back season, while Robinson has been everything the Texans thought he would be.

    Safety

    Starters: Ed Reed, Ravens; Troy Polamalu, Steelers.
    Reserve: Rodney Harrison, Patriots.
    Just missed: Eric Coleman, Jets.
    Comment: Reed should be the defensive player of the year, while Polamalu has made major strides as a second-year player.

    Specialists

    Kicker: Adam Vinatieri, Patriots.
    Punter: Shane Lechler, Raiders.
    Return man: Terrence McGee, Bills.
    Special teams player: Jarrod Cooper, Raiders.


    NFC offense
    Quarterback

    Starter: Daunte Culpepper, Vikings.
    Reserves: Donovan McNabb, Eagles; Brett Favre, Packers.
    Just missed: Jake Delhomme, Panthers.
    Comment: Culpepper gets the slight edge over McNabb based on his better stats.

    Running back

    Starter: Shaun Alexander, Seahawks.
    Reserves: Tiki Barber, Giants, Brian Westbrook, Eagles.
    Just missed: Ahman Green, Packers.
    Comment: It's a down year for backs in the NFC, but Alexander and Barber both put up nice numbers.

    Fullback

    Starter: Mack Strong, Seahawks.
    Just missed: Justin Griffith, Falcons.
    Comment: Strong is the best blocking fullback in the NFC, opening up holes for Alexander.

    Wide receiver

    Starters: Joe Horn, Saints; Terrell Owens, Eagles.
    Reserves: Javon Walker, Packers; Muhsin Muhammad, Panthers.
    Just missed: Torry Holt, Rams.
    Comment: Horn and Owens are both 30 and up, so the old guys rule. Walker is a star in the making.

    Tight end

    Starter: Jason Witten, Cowboys.
    Reserve: Alge Crumpler, Falcons.
    Just missed: Eric Johnson, 49ers.
    Comment: Witten has emerged as a big-play tight end in his second season. Crumpler can catch it and block well.

    Tackle

    Starters: Walter Jones, Seahawks; Tra Thomas, Eagles.
    Reserve: Chad Clifton, Packers.
    Just missed: Orlando Pace, Rams; Bryant McKinnie, Vikings.
    Comment: Jones is a perennial, while Thomas bounced back from a subpar 2003 season to have a much better year.

    Guard

    Starters: Larry Allen, Cowboys; Kynan Forney, Falcons.
    Reserve: Mike Wahle, Packers.
    Just missed: Steve Hutchinson, Seahawks.
    Comment: Allen has bounced back with a big season, while Forney is a power player who doesn't get the attention he deserves.

    Center

    Starter: LeCharles Bentley, Saints.
    Reserve: Olin Kreutz, Bears.
    Just missed: Al Johnson, Cowboys.
    Comment: Bentley is a force in the middle after moving from guard, and clearly gets this nod.


    NFC defense
    End

    Starters: Julius Peppers, Panthers; Simeon Rice, Bucs.
    Reserve: Patrick Kerney, Falcons.
    Just missed: Bertrand Berry, Cardinals
    Comment: Is there a better end in football than Peppers? Rice has come on strong.

    Tackle

    Starters: Shaun Rogers, Lions; Kevin Williams, Vikings.
    Reserve: Rod Coleman, Falcons.
    Just missed: Cornelius Griffin, Redskins.
    Comment: Rogers is the class of the NFC linemen, while Williams gets a slight edge over Coleman.

    Outside linebacker

    Starters: Marcus Washington, Redskins; Lance Briggs, Bears.
    Reserve: Derrick Brooks, Bucs.
    Just missed: Karlos Dansby, Cardinals.
    Comment: Two new faces get the starts this year since both had outstanding years. Brooks is still steady.

    Inside linebacker

    Starter: Dan Morgan, Panthers.
    Reserve: Antonio Pierce, Redskins.
    Just missed: Nick Barnett, Packers.
    Comment: A tough position to pick because there are no real standouts. Morgan is when healthy, but he missed time.

    Cornerback

    Starters: Fred Smoot, Redskins; Marcus Trufant, Seahawks.
    Reserve: Lito Sheppard, Eagles.
    Just missed: Shawn Springs, Redskins.
    Comment: Smoot has excelled with Champ Bailey moving on, while Trufant has come into his own in his second season.

    Safety

    Starters: Brian Dawkins, Eagles; Adrian Wilson, Cardinals.
    Reserve: Sean Taylor, Redskins.
    Just missed: Mike Green, Bears.
    Comment: Dawkins is the best safety in the conference, while Wilson is a rising star.

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    Starter: Curtis Martin, Jets
    Just missed: Pete Kendall, Jets
    Reserve: Kevin Mawae, Jets
    Just missed: Dewayne Robertson, Jets
    Starter: John Abraham, Jets
    Just missed: Jonathan Vilma, Jets.
    Just missed: Eric Barton, Jets
    Just missed: Eric Coleman, Jets

    not a bad little list. my only beefs are that they didnt spell erik colemans name right, SOWELL is not on it and Mawae should start

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    Nothing good happens when you let the unwashed masses vote. Just look at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. I think we should return to a meritocracy immediately.

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    barton got robbed. for a team with a top 3 run defense, he was our best linebacker, and has made the biggest impact vs the run (drob too)


    HE GOT ROBBED!!! :[img]http://www.jetsinsider.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif' />

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    Unless we win a SuperBowl aint no deserving JETS gonna be voted in.

    Its a damn shame.

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    "Just Missed"

    Sounds like the entire history of the Jets franchise.

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    "Reputation is DAMNED"

    .........and for reserve at quarterback, we announce Tom Brady

    Yea, great job at diregarding reputation.

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    Yea, and if my Aunt Rosie had balls she would be my Uncle Rosie....

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    Think about it, D-Rob, Vilma, and Coleman have all had pro-bowl caliber seasons. These guys are all basically rookies! The future is bright for this defense. It should be a nice force for us for many years. Image if D.Strait pans out.

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    Originally posted by JerseyShoreJet@Dec 25 2004, 09:51 AM

    Think about it, D-Rob, Vilma, and Coleman have all had pro-bowl caliber seasons.

    If they had "Pro Bowl caliber" seasons they would be going to Hawaii.

    They're not and they didn't.

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    Originally posted by PatsFanTX+Dec 25 2004, 10:34 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (PatsFanTX @ Dec 25 2004, 10:34 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-JerseyShoreJet@Dec 25 2004, 09:51 AM

    Think about it, D-Rob, Vilma, and Coleman have all had pro-bowl caliber seasons.

    If they had "Pro Bowl caliber" seasons they would be going to Hawaii.

    They&#39;re not and they didn&#39;t. [/b][/quote]
    was nice when you were hiding...back to your insufferable self so quickly?
    you used to contribute some here, now you just take up space

    Patsies* suck & so do you

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    Originally posted by jetfan13@Dec 25 2004, 10:45 AM

    you used to contribute some here, now you just take up space

    Happy Holidays to you too 13.

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    Originally posted by PatsFanTX+Dec 25 2004, 10:34 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (PatsFanTX @ Dec 25 2004, 10:34 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-JerseyShoreJet@Dec 25 2004, 09:51 AM

    Think about it, D-Rob, Vilma, and Coleman have all had pro-bowl caliber seasons.

    If they had "Pro Bowl caliber" seasons they would be going to Hawaii.

    They&#39;re not and they didn&#39;t. [/b][/quote]


    trent green > tom brady

    fukin john lynch and jeremiah trotter made pro bowl. that tells me alot.

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    Originally posted by ErIcBaRtOn50@Dec 25 2004, 11:21 AM

    trent green > tom brady


    Yo eric, when is your &#036;64 million QB ever going to make a Pro Bowl or lead the Jets to a Super Bowl win? :lol: :lol:

    Don&#39;t hold your breath.

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    fukin john lynch and jeremiah trotter made pro bowl. that tells me alot.
    Have you watched Trotter this year? Definetly a Pro Bowl season out of him this year&#33; He came out resurged&#33;

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    Originally posted by The Sowell Train@Dec 25 2004, 05:23 PM
    fukin john lynch and jeremiah trotter made pro bowl. that tells me alot.
    Have you watched Trotter this year? Definetly a Pro Bowl season out of him this year&#33; He came out resurged&#33;
    he&#39;s started like 6 games this year&#33;&#33;

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    He has played in more games than our own Jonny Abraham. If you want Abes out too, then I see your point.

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    Originally posted by The Sowell Train@Dec 25 2004, 05:29 PM
    He has played in more games than our own Jonny Abraham. If you want Abes out too, then I see your point.

    whos stats are better?

    abraham who has 9.5 sacks, which is 3rd in AFC

    or a middle linebacker with 64 tackles??


    abraham has started more games I believe.

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    Stats define pro bowlers now a days?

    Then Dewayne sure as hell didnt deserve to go to the pro bowl, even though I thought he belonged there&#33;


    Starts are meaningless really, Trotter has played in almost every game. If the Eagles come out with a Dime Package to start the game on first down, trotter doesnt get the start...

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    Originally posted by The Sowell Train@Dec 25 2004, 05:32 PM
    Stats define pro bowlers now a days?

    Then Dewayne sure as hell didnt deserve to go to the pro bowl, even though I thought he belonged there&#33;

    come on. dt stats mean s**t

    but a pro bowl defensive has to have alot of sacks, and a pro bowl middle linebacker has to have alot of tackles&#33;


    abraham has alot of sacks, trotter has half the tackles most other pro bowl MLBs prob have

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    Again I dont think a Pro Bowl MIB has to have a lot of tackles. Vilma has 90 tackles and in 2 less games than Trotter but I dont think Vilma is having anything close to a pro bowl year. ( Although I think everyone can see that Vilma most likely will eventually become a pro bowler, but this year? Hell no. Trotter has had a much better year than Vilma IMO )

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