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    Posted on Mon, Jan. 24, 2005

    Law offers the Chiefs T.O. effect
    JASON WHITLOCK

    PHILADELPHIA — Sunday's NFC championship illustrated flawlessly why the Chiefs must $ign New England cornerback Ty Law this offseason.

    Money can't stand in the way. Neither can the salary cap. Law's age is irrelevant. So is his foot injury.Did you watch the Philadelphia Eagles blitz Atlanta 27-10 and secure their first Super Bowl appearance in nearly a quarter of a century?

    Terrell Owens watched from the Philly sideline. He led cheers. He slapped butts and mugged for the cameras. The Eagles gave him $10 million to sign and a $40 million contract to score touchdowns in Sunday's championship, a game the Eagles had lost three straight years. He would've done it, too, if not for the nasty ankle injury he suffered late in the regular season.All T.O. had to offer on Sunday was confidence. It's the same thing he gave the Eagles in March when an arbitrator let Owens walk out on a deal with the Baltimore Ravens and join Donovan McNabb and the Eagles. T.O.'s signing created a belief in Philadelphia — among the players, coaches and fans — that the Eagles would capture the NFC crown and play in the Super Bowl.

    Done deal.

    We can learn a lesson from the Eagles, a team that doesn't spend money foolishly. Philly coach Andy Reid is known for jettisoning expensive, veteran players. In recent years, the Eagles have said goodbye to stars such as Hugh Douglas, Duce Staley, Troy Vincent and Bobby Taylor.But this season, the Eagles identified two big-time free agents — Owens and defensive end Jevon Kearse — they thought could push them into the Super Bowl. Philly gave Owens and Kearse $100 million worth of contract. Even with Owens on the sideline and Eagles receivers making difficult catches on Sunday, it was money well-spent.

    It's time for the Chiefs to cowboy up. Ty Law is the guy.

    The common belief is that he's done in New England. The Patriots owe him about $10 million in 2005. His salary-cap value is around $13 million. Law will not renegotiate his salary down. He fought the Patriots on the contract issue last offseason. The Patriots reluctantly relented. But the Patriots, like the Eagles, are unafraid to release expensive, veteran players (Lawyer Milloy). And the Patriots probably feel very confident they can continue to win without Law, who played only seven games this season because of a foot injury. The Pats shut down Peyton Manning and the Indianapolis Colts in the playoffs without Law.If, as expected, New England releases Law, he must be Kansas City's top offseason priority. He can do for Kansas City everything that T.O. did for Philadelphia. Law, even at age 31 in February and coming off foot surgery, is still the best cornerback in the league. He excels at bump-and-run coverage and zone coverage. He supports the run like a strong safety. He's a leader. He's fearless. He has two Super Bowl rings and all the locker-room credibility that goes along with multiple Pro Bowl appearances.

    Ty Law is a better version of James Hasty, KC's last physical, perfectly sculpted shutdown corner. Hasty strung together six fabulous seasons in Kansas City after leaving the Jets at age 30. What makes Law better than Hasty is the fact that Law is just as strong-willed as Hasty, but Law is more predictable, more of a rock-solid leader. Law has been a part of New England's team-first atmosphere. He could bring that with him to Kansas City.

    What's Law worth on the open market?

    Whatever he wants. But if I had to put a number on it, he's worth a $10 million to $14 million signing bonus (guaranteed money) spread out over a five-year contract. That's a lot for a 31-year-old player with a foot that's healing. But the Colts just gave soon-to-be 33-year-old receiver Marvin Harrison 22 million guaranteed dollars on a contract extension.Ty Law could end 35 years of Kansas City playoff frustration. A signing bonus that approaches $15 million doesn't seem unreasonable, particularly if you were in Philadelphia on Sunday and watched Eagles fans celebrate as if they had endured years and years of playoff misery.

    Philly played in four straight NFC championship games. The Chiefs haven't won a playoff game in more than a decade. Philly, with its new football stadium, new baseball stadium, new basketball arena, doesn't know what pain is.Pain is three 13-3 seasons, home-field advantage and nothing but anger and bitterness to show for it. Pain is watching Priest Holmes, Tony Gonzalez and Trent Green rip and run up and down the football field four straight years, only to see William Bartee, Ryan Sims and Kawika Mitchell get ripped and run just as quickly.It's time to ante up and fix the problem. The bickering about the competency of KC's secondary coaches seems silly when you're asking them to direct second-rate talent. The Eagles had a weakness at wide receiver, and they cut a deal to acquire the best player available, Terrell Owens.

    When have the Chiefs ever signed the best player available? When?

    Bargain shopping is cool, especially when you come up with a Priest Holmes, a Willie Roaf, a Trent Green, a Marcus Allen. But sometimes, you have to get out of your comfort zone, blow past Wal-Mart and head on down to the Country Club Plaza and pick up a Deion Sanders, a Reggie White, a Marshall Faulk, a Terrell Owens. Or a Ty Law.

    To reach Jason Whitlock, call (816) 234-4869 or send e-mail to jwhitlock@kcstar.com. For previous columns, go to KansasCity.com. You can also hear Jason on his radio show, “The Doghouse,” on KCSP-AM 610 Sports weekdays from 2 to 6 p.m.

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    Hasty went to the pro-bowl a couple of times after he left the Jets. I used to love hasty and McMillan.

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    Originally posted by kelly@Jan 24 2005, 11:28 AM
    Posted on Mon, Jan. 24, 2005

    Law offers the Chiefs T.O. effect
    JASON WHITLOCK

    PHILADELPHIA — Sunday's NFC championship illustrated flawlessly why the Chiefs must $ign New England cornerback Ty Law this offseason.

    Money can't stand in the way. Neither can the salary cap. Law's age is irrelevant. So is his foot injury.Did you watch the Philadelphia Eagles blitz Atlanta 27-10 and secure their first Super Bowl appearance in nearly a quarter of a century?

    Terrell Owens watched from the Philly sideline. He led cheers. He slapped butts and mugged for the cameras. The Eagles gave him $10 million to sign and a $40 million contract to score touchdowns in Sunday's championship, a game the Eagles had lost three straight years. He would've done it, too, if not for the nasty ankle injury he suffered late in the regular season.All T.O. had to offer on Sunday was confidence. It's the same thing he gave the Eagles in March when an arbitrator let Owens walk out on a deal with the Baltimore Ravens and join Donovan McNabb and the Eagles. T.O.'s signing created a belief in Philadelphia — among the players, coaches and fans — that the Eagles would capture the NFC crown and play in the Super Bowl.

    Done deal.

    We can learn a lesson from the Eagles, a team that doesn't spend money foolishly. Philly coach Andy Reid is known for jettisoning expensive, veteran players. In recent years, the Eagles have said goodbye to stars such as Hugh Douglas, Duce Staley, Troy Vincent and Bobby Taylor.But this season, the Eagles identified two big-time free agents — Owens and defensive end Jevon Kearse — they thought could push them into the Super Bowl. Philly gave Owens and Kearse $100 million worth of contract. Even with Owens on the sideline and Eagles receivers making difficult catches on Sunday, it was money well-spent.

    It's time for the Chiefs to cowboy up. Ty Law is the guy.

    The common belief is that he's done in New England. The Patriots owe him about $10 million in 2005. His salary-cap value is around $13 million. Law will not renegotiate his salary down. He fought the Patriots on the contract issue last offseason. The Patriots reluctantly relented. But the Patriots, like the Eagles, are unafraid to release expensive, veteran players (Lawyer Milloy). And the Patriots probably feel very confident they can continue to win without Law, who played only seven games this season because of a foot injury. The Pats shut down Peyton Manning and the Indianapolis Colts in the playoffs without Law.If, as expected, New England releases Law, he must be Kansas City's top offseason priority. He can do for Kansas City everything that T.O. did for Philadelphia. Law, even at age 31 in February and coming off foot surgery, is still the best cornerback in the league. He excels at bump-and-run coverage and zone coverage. He supports the run like a strong safety. He's a leader. He's fearless. He has two Super Bowl rings and all the locker-room credibility that goes along with multiple Pro Bowl appearances.

    Ty Law is a better version of James Hasty, KC's last physical, perfectly sculpted shutdown corner. Hasty strung together six fabulous seasons in Kansas City after leaving the Jets at age 30. What makes Law better than Hasty is the fact that Law is just as strong-willed as Hasty, but Law is more predictable, more of a rock-solid leader. Law has been a part of New England's team-first atmosphere. He could bring that with him to Kansas City.

    What's Law worth on the open market?

    Whatever he wants. But if I had to put a number on it, he's worth a $10 million to $14 million signing bonus (guaranteed money) spread out over a five-year contract. That's a lot for a 31-year-old player with a foot that's healing. But the Colts just gave soon-to-be 33-year-old receiver Marvin Harrison 22 million guaranteed dollars on a contract extension.Ty Law could end 35 years of Kansas City playoff frustration. A signing bonus that approaches $15 million doesn't seem unreasonable, particularly if you were in Philadelphia on Sunday and watched Eagles fans celebrate as if they had endured years and years of playoff misery.

    Philly played in four straight NFC championship games. The Chiefs haven't won a playoff game in more than a decade. Philly, with its new football stadium, new baseball stadium, new basketball arena, doesn't know what pain is.Pain is three 13-3 seasons, home-field advantage and nothing but anger and bitterness to show for it. Pain is watching Priest Holmes, Tony Gonzalez and Trent Green rip and run up and down the football field four straight years, only to see William Bartee, Ryan Sims and Kawika Mitchell get ripped and run just as quickly.It's time to ante up and fix the problem. The bickering about the competency of KC's secondary coaches seems silly when you're asking them to direct second-rate talent. The Eagles had a weakness at wide receiver, and they cut a deal to acquire the best player available, Terrell Owens.

    When have the Chiefs ever signed the best player available? When?

    Bargain shopping is cool, especially when you come up with a Priest Holmes, a Willie Roaf, a Trent Green, a Marcus Allen. But sometimes, you have to get out of your comfort zone, blow past Wal-Mart and head on down to the Country Club Plaza and pick up a Deion Sanders, a Reggie White, a Marshall Faulk, a Terrell Owens. Or a Ty Law.

    To reach Jason Whitlock, call (816) 234-4869 or send e-mail to jwhitlock@kcstar.com. For previous columns, go to KansasCity.com. You can also hear Jason on his radio show, “The Doghouse,” on KCSP-AM 610 Sports weekdays from 2 to 6 p.m.

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    Sorry to burst your bubble, but as of last week Law and his agent went public that Law wanted to finish his career in New England and would be willing to renegotiate his contract. Seeing that he was at the AFC CHampionship game wheeling around in a cart, I would guess that the story is accurate. If he is reasonable in negotiations, he'll be with the Pats next year.

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    why would Mumbles pay his hefty price, after he wins the SB with
    GAyrod and Samuel

    He is toast, Hint you do not even need him

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    shasta :
    fyi,
    i e-mailed Jason Whitlock re your comments

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    Originally posted by afosomf@Jan 24 2005, 12:07 PM
    why would Mumbles pay his hefty price, after he wins the SB with
    GAyrod and Samuel

    He is toast, Hint you do not even need him
    I agree with you afo.

    There is no way the Pats shell out big bucks for Law.

    He played his last game as a Patriot.

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    Originally posted by afosomf@Jan 24 2005, 12:07 PM
    why would Mumbles pay his hefty price, after he wins the SB with
    GAyrod and Samuel

    He is toast, Hint you do not even need him
    Assmuff, you just don't get it. You always need good players, always. If he's reasonable $, he's a Patriot.

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    Originally posted by shasta+Jan 24 2005, 11:10 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (shasta @ Jan 24 2005, 11:10 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-afosomf@Jan 24 2005, 12:07 PM
    why would Mumbles pay his hefty price, after he wins the SB with
    GAyrod and Samuel

    He is toast, Hint you do not even need him
    Assmuff, you just don&#39;t get it. You always need good players, always. If he&#39;s reasonable &#036;, he&#39;s a Patriot. [/b][/quote]
    Shasta, you just don&#39;t get it. Bellechick can win with any players he has. Hell, he could win the superbowl with our team.

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    It&#39;s not only that BB can win with any players. The Pats front 7 is the best in the league period. It is like a discussion I had with another pats fan who said Manning is surrounded by more talent than Brady. Face value says that that is correct. However take a position like RB. Would you rather have Edge or Antoine Smith? Obviously the answer is edge. But you can&#39;t just looks at the pats starters. It is not just edge vs antoine smith. It is edge vs Antoine Smith, Kevin faulk, Patrick Pass and Larry Centers. Overall the pats run game is just as good if not better. It is like this for every position. Each player has a specific purpose or role and they each do it well. That is why this secondary has been effective. Thier front 7 can handle a matchup with any type of team and expose its weakness. They have a player that emulates the best of what every defensive player in the NFL does well.

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    Originally posted by shasta@Jan 24 2005, 04:05 PM

    Sorry to burst your bubble, but as of last week Law and his agent went public that Law wanted to finish his career in New England and would be willing to renegotiate his contract. Seeing that he was at the AFC CHampionship game wheeling around in a cart, I would guess that the story is accurate. If he is reasonable in negotiations, he&#39;ll be with the Pats next year.
    Law has no choice, but to suck up to the Patriots if he wants to keep all his money.

    The Patriots are 11-1 without him. They shutdown the Colts. Ty&#39;s bargaining power is slowly dwindling away.

    I hope he comes back and eventually transitions to safety in a year or two. However, if he maintains his stance of being paid every penny he signed for, I will miss him, but thanks for the memories.

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    BB will let Ty and the Postons negotiate a deal, I expect the pats will get a 2nd this year or a third and something else next year.

    The pats have the room under the cap and can keep him away from the market until after JUne 1st when they would have to sign the rookies. The postons want him on the market right away before the money dries up. The pats certainly will not get market value or anything close to it but they will get something.

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    Originally posted by patman@Jan 24 2005, 02:03 PM
    BB will let Ty and the Postons negotiate a deal, I expect the pats will get a 2nd this year or a third and something else next year.

    The pats have the room under the cap and can keep him away from the market until after JUne 1st when they would have to sign the rookies. The postons want him on the market right away before the money dries up. The pats certainly will not get market value or anything close to it but they will get something.
    Hey, if the Pats can get a 2nd rounder, see ya Ty, hell if they can get a 3rd or 4th I would say great. I just don&#39;t see anyone giving it up knowing that he&#39;s going to get cut anyway. Also there is a huge myth that B.B. can win with anyone, this is the dumbest thing I&#39;ve heard and a lot of Jet fans here are buying into it. How about this for a thought, maybe, just maybe the players B.B. brings in are good players, Samule and Gay are good players with talent. I don&#39;t care how many coverage schemes you run, you&#39;ve got to have players making plays. How many times did Samule and Gay make breaks on the ball at the perfect time to defend passes yesterday? B.B. is agreat coach no doubt, but what people are not understanding is that this organization identifies and develops talent better than any in the League. Its&#39;s not blind luck that the Pats can take 4th round center and start him as a rookie, or a college wrestling champ that never played college ball and develop him into a starting Guard, lets not forget 6th round WR thats as thats made more plays than most of WR&#39;s taken in the 1st round the same year. I could go on and on but I think you get the point.

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    ty law is so OLD, I wouldn&#39;t give up a 3rd rd pick for his sorry ass

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    Originally posted by BergenJet@Jan 24 2005, 10:32 AM
    Hasty went to the pro-bowl a couple of times after he left the Jets. I used to love hasty and McMillan.
    Memouries.

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    Shasta, If you want Law you either give up a 2nd or a 3rd or take a chance he will sign with you in June, if he does not sing with you in june, what do you do then? The draft is over and all that is left in June 1st cuts. The last two years there has been very slim pickings in June.

    It makes sense for Law and the Postons as they get to shop Law at the start of FA where most teams have &#036; to spend.

    Law will not get "big" money I expect a 5 year deal, 25 mill with a 10 mill bonus
    and that he will probally only see the first three years of the contract. But for three years a team will have a top corner and not have to use a top pick to get one.

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    Originally posted by patman@Jan 24 2005, 03:44 PM
    Shasta, If you want Law you either give up a 2nd or a 3rd or take a chance he will sign with you in June, if he does not sing with you in june, what do you do then? The draft is over and all that is left in June 1st cuts. The last two years there has been very slim pickings in June.

    It makes sense for Law and the Postons as they get to shop Law at the start of FA where most teams have &#036; to spend.

    Law will not get "big" money I expect a 5 year deal, 25 mill with a 10 mill bonus
    and that he will probally only see the first three years of the contract. But for three years a team will have a top corner and not have to use a top pick to get one.
    Oh, I agree that the Postons will want to shop him as soon as possible, but I highly doubt any team out there is going to give up a 2nd round pick for a 31 year old CB coming off a season endind injury. It&#39;s not like the Dillon trade, Dillon had only 6 years as a pro and was fully recovered before the trade. Now whats interesting is that all the leverage is in the Pats hands because guess what, Samule and Gay are solid NFL starting CB&#39;s. Add to that the fact that Poole is still under contract and will return from injury and the Pats just may take what they can get for Law and move on. As far as the money you think he&#39;ll get, 5 years 25 million and a 10 million dollar signing bonus??? Not a chance in hell he gets that, and if there is a team that stupid out their to give him that much, then maybe your right we could get 2nd round pick, because if a team is dumb enough to pony up that kind of cash for Law then theywould have to be dumb enough to give up a 2nd. Here&#39;s to hoping.

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    Originally posted by ErIcBaRtOn50@Jan 24 2005, 02:04 PM
    ty law is so OLD, I wouldn&#39;t give up a 3rd rd pick for his sorry ass
    :lol: You&#39;re middle name definately isn&#39;t objective is it? Ty Law is probably better than any two CBs that you have on your team. Hey Shasta, where did you hear this about Law wanting to finish his career with the Patriots?

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    Originally posted by Alk+Jan 24 2005, 06:51 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Alk @ Jan 24 2005, 06:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-ErIcBaRtOn50@Jan 24 2005, 02:04 PM
    ty law is so OLD, I wouldn&#39;t give up a 3rd rd pick for his sorry ass
    :lol: You&#39;re middle name definately isn&#39;t objective is it? Ty Law is probably better than any two CBs that you have on your team. Hey Shasta, where did you hear this about Law wanting to finish his career with the Patriots? [/b][/quote]
    Based on the performance of their defense without him, it&#39;s obvious his impact isn&#39;t as great as people thought. Looks like they did fine without him. I think it&#39;s very difficult to judge his skill level at this point, given that he&#39;s recovering from an injury, and he played in an extremely succesful system. He was never fleet of foot to being with when he came out of college. Out on and island, in a lesser scheme, not sure he&#39;d even be close to what he was in the pats defense.

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    Nobody cares about the Chiefs and Pats.

    Go post on one of their pages.

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    Originally posted by 2009fatman@Jan 24 2005, 06:35 PM
    Go post on one of their pages.
    And suppose we say no? And then what?

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