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    As of now, espn is reporting that the deal appers dead. They said the reason for it was that Coles said he wanted to restructure his deal, and by restructure it was said that he wanted more money. Espn also said, that if Coles didnt get his wish, he wouldnt report to camp. (after hearing this, damn this guy has an ego. I dont even want him in any respect now.)

    But the one reason why the Jets wanted to make the deal, because from a cap perspective it made absolutely no sense. The jets were taking on a lot of money for him, and he has a deal that is very high for a wideout like him. Also many people say that they think Moss and Coles are similar in overall wide receiving capabilities. people say they both have different strenghts that make them stand out.

    Originally it was reported that the Jets would be getting along with Coles some really good picks. I first heard the 9th overall then it changed to a second rounder and something else. The reason for it, was the Jets would be taking on a lot of money towards the cap but would be getting compensated by the skins with picks. But then the skins backed out with their offer of giving the Jets any picks. Then talks broke down after this.

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    Down goes Smizzy.

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    would someone explain. why did Coles sign with the Skins? not for that signing bonus? now if we intend to give him that f***ing bonus now why didn't we keep him in the first place?

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    Originally posted by Smizzy@Feb 26 2005, 11:55 PM
    Down goes Smizzy.

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    Lighten up, man. Are you worse off in life with the amount of Coles threads? Apparently, you care enough to post in them, so I think you should take it easy.

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    whoever told u the skins for offering picks was lying to u big time....there is no way they were offering picks this was a straight up deal....several people have said it was a straight up deal...the skins wouldnt be retarted to offer up 9 overall even if we gave them our 1st rder with a 3rd they would have never done it

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    Originally posted by Jet#24Eventually@Feb 26 2005, 11:53 PM

    But the one reason why the Jets wanted to make the deal, because from a cap perspective it made absolutely no sense. The jets were taking on a lot of money for him,
    Wrong 24Ev The deal was an absolute steal for the Jets. All of the Redskins bonuses had already been paid out to Coles. The Jets would have been responsible for none of it. All the Jets would have to do is pay Coles his Base Salary. It also means the Jets could cut Coles at any time without sufferring any cap hit.

    The deal is a heist for the Jets even if Coles punked out and rolled over the only thing the Jets would have lost is the roster space Coles took up.

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    Originally posted by Thinker@Feb 27 2005, 12:05 AM
    would someone explain. why did Coles sign with the Skins? not for that signing bonus? now if we intend to give him that f***ing bonus now why didn't we keep him in the first place?
    Thinker...get up to speed. The Jets had an understanding that they would only be paying Coles Base Salary if the deal goes through. It was Coles insistence on a contract renegotiation that includes a bonus that is threatening to sink the deal.

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    Originally posted by WestCoastMole+Feb 27 2005, 12:22 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (WestCoastMole @ Feb 27 2005, 12:22 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Jet#24Eventually@Feb 26 2005, 11:53 PM

    But the one reason why the Jets wanted to make the deal, because from a cap perspective it made absolutely no sense. The jets were taking on a lot of money for him,
    Wrong 24Ev The deal was an absolute steal for the Jets. All of the Redskins bonuses had already been paid out to Coles. The Jets would have been responsible for none of it. All the Jets would have to do is pay Coles his Base Salary. It also means the Jets could cut Coles at any time without sufferring any cap hit.

    The deal is a heist for the Jets even if Coles punked out and rolled over the only thing the Jets would have lost is the roster space Coles took up. [/b][/quote]
    Great Post&#33;&#33; Now the Debate is who would you rather have. Can we sing Moss?? Lots of questions but the big money the signing bonus is on the Skins. NFL is almost never guaranteed money.

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    Originally posted by WestCoastMole+Feb 26 2005, 11:25 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (WestCoastMole @ Feb 26 2005, 11:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Thinker@Feb 27 2005, 12:05 AM
    would someone explain. why did Coles sign with the Skins? not for that signing bonus? now if we intend to give him that f***ing bonus now why didn&#39;t we keep him in the first place?
    Thinker...get up to speed. The Jets had an understanding that they would only be paying Coles Base Salary if the deal goes through. It was Coles insistence on a contract renegotiation that includes a bonus that is threatening to sink the deal. [/b][/quote]
    but now they are talking of the JETS taking on his bonus.

    any way doesn&#39;t his contract pay him a fraction the first three years? so we are in reality paying him most of it. no?

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    Originally posted by Thinker+Feb 27 2005, 12:31 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Thinker @ Feb 27 2005, 12:31 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
    Originally posted by WestCoastMole@Feb 26 2005, 11:25 PM
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    @Feb 27 2005, 12:05 AM
    would someone explain. why did Coles sign with the Skins? not for that signing bonus? now if we intend to give him that f***ing bonus now why didn&#39;t we keep him in the first place?

    Thinker...get up to speed. The Jets had an understanding that they would only be paying Coles Base Salary if the deal goes through. It was Coles insistence on a contract renegotiation that includes a bonus that is threatening to sink the deal.
    but now they are talking of the JETS taking on his bonus.

    any way doesn&#39;t his contract pay him a fraction the first three years? so we are in reality paying him most of it. no? [/b][/quote]
    The contract Coles signed with the Redskins includes a two tiered bonus. He received 8 million to sign in 2003 and is scheduled to receive 5 million on Tuesday. Early in the process there was talk about assuming the 5 million but there are serious questions as to whether the NFLMC would approve such a deal. There is a golden rule at league headquarters in the post collective bargaining agreement era. SALARY CAP SPACE IS NOT TRANSFERRABLE BETWEEN TEAMS. The NFL told the Redskins that they had to make some salary cap moves in order for the deal to go through. That is why the Redskins are working feverishly to get Chris Sammuels contract renegotiated.

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    Originally posted by Thinker+Feb 27 2005, 12:31 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Thinker @ Feb 27 2005, 12:31 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
    Originally posted by WestCoastMole@Feb 26 2005, 11:25 PM
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    @Feb 27 2005, 12:05 AM
    would someone explain. why did Coles sign with the Skins? not for that signing bonus? now if we intend to give him that f***ing bonus now why didn&#39;t we keep him in the first place?

    Thinker...get up to speed. The Jets had an understanding that they would only be paying Coles Base Salary if the deal goes through. It was Coles insistence on a contract renegotiation that includes a bonus that is threatening to sink the deal.
    but now they are talking of the JETS taking on his bonus.

    any way doesn&#39;t his contract pay him a fraction the first three years? so we are in reality paying him most of it. no? [/b][/quote]
    The contract Coles signed with the Redskins includes a two tiered bonus. He received 8 million to sign in 2003 and is scheduled to receive 5 million on Tuesday. Early in the process there was talk about assuming the 5 million but there are serious questions as to whether the NFLMC would approve such a deal. There is a golden rule at league headquarters in the post collective bargaining agreement era. SALARY CAP SPACE IS NOT TRANSFERRABLE BETWEEN TEAMS. The NFL told the Redskins that they had to make some salary cap moves in order for the deal to go through. That is why the Redskins are working feverishly to get Chris Sammuels contract renegotiated.

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    Originally posted by prza@Feb 27 2005, 12:27 AM

    Great Post&#33;&#33; Now the Debate is who would you rather have. Can we sing Moss?? Lots of questions but the big money the signing bonus is on the Skins. NFL is almost never guaranteed money.
    Moss has one more year left on his contract. And his performance thus far has been mediocre to be charitable. Of the 4 years he has played for the Jets only 1 (2003) is consider worthy of a number 1 receiver in the NFL. Moss has established a reputation for being constantly injured. Even if he has an All-Pro season this year there will be nagging questions about whether he will be able to perform at a consistently high level for the rest of his career.

    If I were the Jets I would let him play out his contract and wave goodbye at the end of the season.

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    It would be hard to let him go if he has another year like 2003 though. Like if lamont didn&#39;t have a big a year as this year it would be easier to see him walk. The thing is these guys have such good value its hard to let em just walk witout a solid player (Trade) or pick.

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