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    We hear more than a few Rams insiders have concerns about Adam Archuleta's pass-coverage ability at his new position of free safety.

    If NT Keith Traylor is not welcomed back to New England, we hear that he would like to close out his playing career somewhere closer to the Arkansas native's Southern roots.

    Rumors of an even-up swap of Cardinals OT L.J. Shelton for Bills RB Travis Henry continued to swirl, but Cardinals head coach Dennis Green has always seemed to favor speed backs such as Robert Smith and Michael Bennett, and our sources believe Henry just isn't particularly well-suited for the style of offense Green has in mind.

    New 49ers head coach Mike Nolan has mentioned a specific interest in former Titans WR Derrick Mason. He also envisions DE Andre Carter, who is coming off a tough, injury-plagued season, as the primary Lawrence Taylor-type pass rusher in the team's new 3-4 defense.


    Cowart
    Though LB Sam Cowart is unhappy about losing his starting role, we hear the Jets are in no hurry to release him, if at all. When healthy, Cowart adds good depth, and New York may decide he's too valuable as a backup to let go.


    The Falcons lost personnel man Tim Ruskell to the Seahawks thanks to a subtle push from general manager Rich McKay, who believed it was time for his good friend to make his own way in the NFL.

    We're told the Falcons believe their recent success, coupled with the opportunity to play with Michael Vick, will help make attracting free agents much easier than it was in the past.

    We're told the Panthers' addition of free-agent P Steve Cheek is no small sign that the team will be keeping a close eye on Todd Sauerbrun through minicamp and over the summer. Sauerbrun could become a cap casualty even earlier.


    Colbert
    Word is the Panthers believe WR Keary Colbert could be a breakout receiver next year if he does a better job of holding on to the ball during offseason workouts.

    Even with the Saints re-signing S Jay Bellamy to a new three-year deal, we're told there are no guarantees he will be the starter next season despite his experience.

    The Saints plan to simplify their playbook under new offensive coordinator Mike Sheppard because they feel the offense used by former offensive coordinator Mike McCarthy forced players to think more than react on the field.

    We're hearing that USC WR Mike Williams originally opted not to work out at the NFL combine because he had already been promised to be selected No. 5 overall by the Buccaneers.


    Jordan
    We're told RB LaMont Jordan currently is the hot name floating around One Buc Place in the Buccaneers' effort to bring in a dependable running back.


    Chargers QB Drew Brees telling PFW what surprises him about teammate LaDainian Tomlinson: "I'm telling you, he does something every day where you're like, 'Man, I've never seen that before.' He's a special player and really a special guy. A great leader. He's all heart and all pride. He goes about it in the right way too. He does it in a very classy manner, and he's a hell of a football player."

    Chiefs LB Shawn Barber, who missed half the season with a torn ACL and then had to undergo a second surgery in late December, is expected to start the 2005 campaign on the physically-unable-to-perform list.

    We're hearing that as many as 8-10 teams are interested in acquiring Broncos DE Trevor Pryce, who has been granted permission to seek a trade because of his huge cap number and age concerns. But after the first week of free agency, the number of potential suitors could drop significantly.

    Following through on an earlier promise, Champ Bailey and John Lynch picked up the tab for their teammates from Denver's secondary so they could join the pair in Hawaii for the Pro Bowl. Six of the team's 10 remaining defensive backs were able to take Bailey and Lynch up on their offer.


    Neil
    The Broncos would like to re-sign OG Dan Neil at a lesser price after releasing him and his $5 million cap number on Feb. 24, and Neil has said he would not at all be opposed to the idea of sticking in Denver for a cheaper rate.

    After giving DE Vonnie Holliday the boot, look for the Chiefs to have serious talks with WR Johnnie Morton, whose production has not matched expectations in his three years in K.C. Morton owns the team's sixth-biggest cap number for 2005.

    Raiders WR Ronald Curry began jogging in late February and by this summer is expected to be fully recovered from the Achilles injury that ended his season in Week 13.

    Word out of Oakland is that the Giants were showing an interest in acquiring Raiders CB Phillip Buchanon prior to the start of free agency.


    Vinatieri
    Adam Vinatieri's agent, Neil Cornrich, told PFW that it remains to be seen what New England does regarding a long-term extension with the Pro Bowl place-kicker. "We'll just have to wait and see what happens. The last time Adam was franchised (after the 2001 season), the Patriots and Adam were able to enter into an agreement that was mutually beneficial to both sides. Hopefully that will happen this time."

    Word from New England is that it's looking more and more like the Patriots will use a committee to fill the offensive coordinator position during the 2005 season, with head coach Bill Belichick, assistant head coach/offensive line Dante Scarnecchia, WR coach Brian Daboll and QB coach Josh McDaniels sharing the duties.

    An interesting aspect of the Patriots' hiring of ex-Dolphins assistant Joel Collier to their coaching staff is the fact that he received the title of assistant secondary coach. That indicates that Eric Mangini will continue to handle the secondary coaching duties as well as his new role as defensive coordinator.

    Bill Parcells told a small group of media members at the combine that the team has not yet decided if it will switch to a 3-4 defense, remain a base 4-3 or play some combination of the two. Bank on the latter; more than one draft prospect fitting the mold of versatile, 3-4 players reported special interest from the Cowboys during interviews.

    One interesting thing to note about the Cowboys' coaching staff: No one carries the title of offensive coordinator now that Maurice Carthon has taken a job with Romeo Crennel's staff in Cleveland. Sean Payton is tabbed as the passing-game coordinator and OL coach Tony Sparano will serve as the running-game coordinator; Bill Parcells will continue to call plays. One team source thinks the new combination should not have much trouble designing game plans.

    The Giants aren't going to go out of their way to bring PK Steve Christie back except for a veteran's minimum kind of deal. But here's one name to keep in mind for the Giants' PK job: David Kimball. The Colts drafted Kimball last year in the seventh round as a kickoff specialist, and the Giants now own his rights and are very intrigued in his great leg strength.


    Fiedler
    The Giants will try to add a veteran backup for Eli Manning, and GM Ernie Accorsi wants a heady vet who understands he'll be coming in as a backup. The hot name has been former Dolphins QB Jay Fiedler, who was let go recently, but Vinny Testaverde might be a strong possibility as well. And the team was pleasantly surprised with the progress of Jesse Palmer, a free agent who might want to return if he's in line for the No. 2 job.

    Expect the Eagles to draft a quarterback this spring. They would like to groom the next young A.J. Feeley and have him compete with last year's sixth-round pick, Andy Hall, who will spend this spring in NFL Europe and is fairly green.

    With the Titans' top four cornerbacks right now expected to be Andre Woolfolk, Tony Beckham, Rich Gardner and Michael Waddell, the team almost assuredly will draft a cornerback, perhaps with its first pick - No. 6 overall. West Virginia's Adam "Pac Man" Jones could appeal doubly because of his explosive return ability, something the Titans desperately need.

    A Vikings source told PFW at the combine that the Vikings were "completely floored" by WR Mike Williams, of whom head coach Mike Tice is a huge fan. Williams drew the adoration of the Vikings' coaching staff before his private workout in Tampa last year and has only improved his standing with the team in the year gone by. With the seventh overall pick, the source said, the Vikings would "fall over ourselves" to get Williams.

    The Lions conducted a physical on QB Jeff Garcia at the combine and had an introductory interview at a nearby hotel. Head coach Steve Mariucci, who coached Garcia to three straight Pro Bowl appearances in San Francisco, said he wants to be clear with Garcia about the QB pecking order but said that conversation wouldn't happen until the results of the physical were known. Garcia might work out for the Lions; they aren't sure Garcia is fully healed from back, shoulder and knee injuries.

    The Bears might be done with PK Paul Edinger, as head coach Lovie Smith and general manager Jerry Angelo both voiced to PFW their dissatisfaction with the kicking game last season. Angelo said the Bears were "disappointed, as I'm sure Paul is in his performance this past season. He's got to do better, but the last two years haven't been up to par and now we have to look." Angelo was with Tampa Bay when the Buccaneers drafted Martin Gramatica in the third round and is said to like Ohio State PK Mike Nugent, a player considered a near lock to be picked on Day One of the draft.


    Darius
    A personnel man from the AFC South criticized the Jaguars for "asking for the world" in past trade talks involving SS Donovin Darius. Franchised for the third straight year, Darius can be moved this offseason, but teams say the Jaguars have overestimated the exchange rate for a 30-year-old veteran at a non-impact position.

    The Colts won't spend heavily on a free-agent cornerback based on the evaluation of a coming trend in the NFL: the overvaluing of defensive backs. According to Tony Dungy, the enforcement of pass interference and illegal contact last season literally made the idea of a shutdown corner extinct. Dungy, a former NFL defensive back, said he couldn't fathom paying a cornerback, now the NFL's highest-paid position, supposed "market value." Team president Bill Polian mentioned the Colts would be reviewing film of ex-Patriots CB Ty Law, who was released but has some age and injury issues the Colts want to investigate.

    As of this writing, the Ravens expect CB Gary Baxter and ILB Ed Hartwell to hit the free-agent market. Ravens head coach Brian Billick told PFW that Baxter, much like OLB Adalius Thomas a year ago, needs to find his market value before he can reach a deal with the Ravens. A source close to the team believes it's more likely that the Ravens will re-sign Baxter, not Hartwell.

    At the NFL combine, Ravens head coach Brian Billick indicated the team would not make the defensive line a priority in free agency, seemingly a vote of confidence in the personnel the team already has.

    With WR Plaxico Burress expected to hit the free-agent market as of this writing, a source close to the Steelers expects the team to target a mid-tier wide receiver in free agency.


    Holcomb
    Browns general manager Phil Savage indicated that while the team has contingency plans at quarterback in the event Kelly Holcomb can't be re-signed, the team's first preference is to have Holcomb back in the fold. Savage also said the team is working to sign CB Anthony Henry.

    Ravens head coach Brian Billick said the team will be looking to address the WR position in free agency. "We certainly feel like we need a veteran presence at receiver, not only from his athletic standpoint, what he can contribute to the team on the field, but from a maturity standpoint, a veteran standpoint, and we'll see exactly what's out there," he said.

    Because of the strong crop of runners expected to be available in this year's draft, don't be surprised if the Cardinals use the eighth pick in the first round on the best available athlete and pounce on a slightly under-the-radar RB they like in Round Two.

    We hear Cardinals DE Fred Wakefield, who was considered too slow-twitched coming off the edge and has a body better-suited for the other side of the ball, will be given every opportunity to make the conversion to the offensive line next season. Scouts we talked to think Wakefield could be an intriguing project -- which is right up head coach Dennis Green's alley.

    We hear Cardinals head coach Dennis Green is trying to find a spot on his staff for his son, Jeremy, who formerly was Butch Davis' director of pro personnel in Cleveland, but that he could be running into some resistance inside the organization.

    We hear the Rams could have some interest in recently cut Titans OT Fred Miller, who previously played four seasons in St. Louis, including on the team that won Super Bowl XXXIV.

    Word is Rams QB prospect Russ Michna, who is currently allocated to NFL Europe, has a decent opportunity to land the No. 3 QB job behind Marc Bulger and Jeff Smoker.

    We hear the Rams could be considering moving Damione Lewis from tackle to end as part of their plan to get bigger and stronger on defense.

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    Originally posted by InChadWeTrust10@Feb 28 2005, 03:47 PM
    Whispers from around the NFL
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    We hear more than a few Rams insiders have concerns about Adam Archuleta's pass-coverage ability at his new position of free safety.

    If NT Keith Traylor is not welcomed back to New England, we hear that he would like to close out his playing career somewhere closer to the Arkansas native's Southern roots.

    Rumors of an even-up swap of Cardinals OT L.J. Shelton for Bills RB Travis Henry continued to swirl, but Cardinals head coach Dennis Green has always seemed to favor speed backs such as Robert Smith and Michael Bennett, and our sources believe Henry just isn't particularly well-suited for the style of offense Green has in mind.

    New 49ers head coach Mike Nolan has mentioned a specific interest in former Titans WR Derrick Mason. He also envisions DE Andre Carter, who is coming off a tough, injury-plagued season, as the primary Lawrence Taylor-type pass rusher in the team's new 3-4 defense.


    Cowart
    Though LB Sam Cowart is unhappy about losing his starting role, we hear the Jets are in no hurry to release him, if at all. When healthy, Cowart adds good depth, and New York may decide he's too valuable as a backup to let go.


    The Falcons lost personnel man Tim Ruskell to the Seahawks thanks to a subtle push from general manager Rich McKay, who believed it was time for his good friend to make his own way in the NFL.

    We're told the Falcons believe their recent success, coupled with the opportunity to play with Michael Vick, will help make attracting free agents much easier than it was in the past.

    We're told the Panthers' addition of free-agent P Steve Cheek is no small sign that the team will be keeping a close eye on Todd Sauerbrun through minicamp and over the summer. Sauerbrun could become a cap casualty even earlier.


    Colbert
    Word is the Panthers believe WR Keary Colbert could be a breakout receiver next year if he does a better job of holding on to the ball during offseason workouts.

    Even with the Saints re-signing S Jay Bellamy to a new three-year deal, we're told there are no guarantees he will be the starter next season despite his experience.

    The Saints plan to simplify their playbook under new offensive coordinator Mike Sheppard because they feel the offense used by former offensive coordinator Mike McCarthy forced players to think more than react on the field.

    We're hearing that USC WR Mike Williams originally opted not to work out at the NFL combine because he had already been promised to be selected No. 5 overall by the Buccaneers.


    Jordan
    We're told RB LaMont Jordan currently is the hot name floating around One Buc Place in the Buccaneers' effort to bring in a dependable running back.


    Chargers QB Drew Brees telling PFW what surprises him about teammate LaDainian Tomlinson: "I'm telling you, he does something every day where you're like, 'Man, I've never seen that before.' He's a special player and really a special guy. A great leader. He's all heart and all pride. He goes about it in the right way too. He does it in a very classy manner, and he's a hell of a football player."

    Chiefs LB Shawn Barber, who missed half the season with a torn ACL and then had to undergo a second surgery in late December, is expected to start the 2005 campaign on the physically-unable-to-perform list.

    We're hearing that as many as 8-10 teams are interested in acquiring Broncos DE Trevor Pryce, who has been granted permission to seek a trade because of his huge cap number and age concerns. But after the first week of free agency, the number of potential suitors could drop significantly.

    Following through on an earlier promise, Champ Bailey and John Lynch picked up the tab for their teammates from Denver's secondary so they could join the pair in Hawaii for the Pro Bowl. Six of the team's 10 remaining defensive backs were able to take Bailey and Lynch up on their offer.


    Neil
    The Broncos would like to re-sign OG Dan Neil at a lesser price after releasing him and his $5 million cap number on Feb. 24, and Neil has said he would not at all be opposed to the idea of sticking in Denver for a cheaper rate.

    After giving DE Vonnie Holliday the boot, look for the Chiefs to have serious talks with WR Johnnie Morton, whose production has not matched expectations in his three years in K.C. Morton owns the team's sixth-biggest cap number for 2005.

    Raiders WR Ronald Curry began jogging in late February and by this summer is expected to be fully recovered from the Achilles injury that ended his season in Week 13.

    Word out of Oakland is that the Giants were showing an interest in acquiring Raiders CB Phillip Buchanon prior to the start of free agency.


    Vinatieri
    Adam Vinatieri's agent, Neil Cornrich, told PFW that it remains to be seen what New England does regarding a long-term extension with the Pro Bowl place-kicker. "We'll just have to wait and see what happens. The last time Adam was franchised (after the 2001 season), the Patriots and Adam were able to enter into an agreement that was mutually beneficial to both sides. Hopefully that will happen this time."

    Word from New England is that it's looking more and more like the Patriots will use a committee to fill the offensive coordinator position during the 2005 season, with head coach Bill Belichick, assistant head coach/offensive line Dante Scarnecchia, WR coach Brian Daboll and QB coach Josh McDaniels sharing the duties.

    An interesting aspect of the Patriots' hiring of ex-Dolphins assistant Joel Collier to their coaching staff is the fact that he received the title of assistant secondary coach. That indicates that Eric Mangini will continue to handle the secondary coaching duties as well as his new role as defensive coordinator.

    Bill Parcells told a small group of media members at the combine that the team has not yet decided if it will switch to a 3-4 defense, remain a base 4-3 or play some combination of the two. Bank on the latter; more than one draft prospect fitting the mold of versatile, 3-4 players reported special interest from the Cowboys during interviews.

    One interesting thing to note about the Cowboys' coaching staff: No one carries the title of offensive coordinator now that Maurice Carthon has taken a job with Romeo Crennel's staff in Cleveland. Sean Payton is tabbed as the passing-game coordinator and OL coach Tony Sparano will serve as the running-game coordinator; Bill Parcells will continue to call plays. One team source thinks the new combination should not have much trouble designing game plans.

    The Giants aren't going to go out of their way to bring PK Steve Christie back except for a veteran's minimum kind of deal. But here's one name to keep in mind for the Giants' PK job: David Kimball. The Colts drafted Kimball last year in the seventh round as a kickoff specialist, and the Giants now own his rights and are very intrigued in his great leg strength.


    Fiedler
    The Giants will try to add a veteran backup for Eli Manning, and GM Ernie Accorsi wants a heady vet who understands he'll be coming in as a backup. The hot name has been former Dolphins QB Jay Fiedler, who was let go recently, but Vinny Testaverde might be a strong possibility as well. And the team was pleasantly surprised with the progress of Jesse Palmer, a free agent who might want to return if he's in line for the No. 2 job.

    Expect the Eagles to draft a quarterback this spring. They would like to groom the next young A.J. Feeley and have him compete with last year's sixth-round pick, Andy Hall, who will spend this spring in NFL Europe and is fairly green.

    With the Titans' top four cornerbacks right now expected to be Andre Woolfolk, Tony Beckham, Rich Gardner and Michael Waddell, the team almost assuredly will draft a cornerback, perhaps with its first pick - No. 6 overall. West Virginia's Adam "Pac Man" Jones could appeal doubly because of his explosive return ability, something the Titans desperately need.

    A Vikings source told PFW at the combine that the Vikings were "completely floored" by WR Mike Williams, of whom head coach Mike Tice is a huge fan. Williams drew the adoration of the Vikings' coaching staff before his private workout in Tampa last year and has only improved his standing with the team in the year gone by. With the seventh overall pick, the source said, the Vikings would "fall over ourselves" to get Williams.

    The Lions conducted a physical on QB Jeff Garcia at the combine and had an introductory interview at a nearby hotel. Head coach Steve Mariucci, who coached Garcia to three straight Pro Bowl appearances in San Francisco, said he wants to be clear with Garcia about the QB pecking order but said that conversation wouldn't happen until the results of the physical were known. Garcia might work out for the Lions; they aren't sure Garcia is fully healed from back, shoulder and knee injuries.

    The Bears might be done with PK Paul Edinger, as head coach Lovie Smith and general manager Jerry Angelo both voiced to PFW their dissatisfaction with the kicking game last season. Angelo said the Bears were "disappointed, as I'm sure Paul is in his performance this past season. He's got to do better, but the last two years haven't been up to par and now we have to look." Angelo was with Tampa Bay when the Buccaneers drafted Martin Gramatica in the third round and is said to like Ohio State PK Mike Nugent, a player considered a near lock to be picked on Day One of the draft.


    Darius
    A personnel man from the AFC South criticized the Jaguars for "asking for the world" in past trade talks involving SS Donovin Darius. Franchised for the third straight year, Darius can be moved this offseason, but teams say the Jaguars have overestimated the exchange rate for a 30-year-old veteran at a non-impact position.

    The Colts won't spend heavily on a free-agent cornerback based on the evaluation of a coming trend in the NFL: the overvaluing of defensive backs. According to Tony Dungy, the enforcement of pass interference and illegal contact last season literally made the idea of a shutdown corner extinct. Dungy, a former NFL defensive back, said he couldn't fathom paying a cornerback, now the NFL's highest-paid position, supposed "market value." Team president Bill Polian mentioned the Colts would be reviewing film of ex-Patriots CB Ty Law, who was released but has some age and injury issues the Colts want to investigate.

    As of this writing, the Ravens expect CB Gary Baxter and ILB Ed Hartwell to hit the free-agent market. Ravens head coach Brian Billick told PFW that Baxter, much like OLB Adalius Thomas a year ago, needs to find his market value before he can reach a deal with the Ravens. A source close to the team believes it's more likely that the Ravens will re-sign Baxter, not Hartwell.

    At the NFL combine, Ravens head coach Brian Billick indicated the team would not make the defensive line a priority in free agency, seemingly a vote of confidence in the personnel the team already has.

    With WR Plaxico Burress expected to hit the free-agent market as of this writing, a source close to the Steelers expects the team to target a mid-tier wide receiver in free agency.


    Holcomb
    Browns general manager Phil Savage indicated that while the team has contingency plans at quarterback in the event Kelly Holcomb can't be re-signed, the team's first preference is to have Holcomb back in the fold. Savage also said the team is working to sign CB Anthony Henry.

    Ravens head coach Brian Billick said the team will be looking to address the WR position in free agency. "We certainly feel like we need a veteran presence at receiver, not only from his athletic standpoint, what he can contribute to the team on the field, but from a maturity standpoint, a veteran standpoint, and we'll see exactly what's out there," he said.

    Because of the strong crop of runners expected to be available in this year's draft, don't be surprised if the Cardinals use the eighth pick in the first round on the best available athlete and pounce on a slightly under-the-radar RB they like in Round Two.

    We hear Cardinals DE Fred Wakefield, who was considered too slow-twitched coming off the edge and has a body better-suited for the other side of the ball, will be given every opportunity to make the conversion to the offensive line next season. Scouts we talked to think Wakefield could be an intriguing project -- which is right up head coach Dennis Green's alley.

    We hear Cardinals head coach Dennis Green is trying to find a spot on his staff for his son, Jeremy, who formerly was Butch Davis' director of pro personnel in Cleveland, but that he could be running into some resistance inside the organization.

    We hear the Rams could have some interest in recently cut Titans OT Fred Miller, who previously played four seasons in St. Louis, including on the team that won Super Bowl XXXIV.

    Word is Rams QB prospect Russ Michna, who is currently allocated to NFL Europe, has a decent opportunity to land the No. 3 QB job behind Marc Bulger and Jeff Smoker.

    We hear the Rams could be considering moving Damione Lewis from tackle to end as part of their plan to get bigger and stronger on defense.
    You do realize that you can get this exact info for free on PFW.com, right?

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    Those are some great bits of information. As far as the Jet situation goes I would prefer to trade Cowart of we could get something of value in return. I just don't see Lamont playing in Tampa because of Hackett, even if he is the QB coach. You know what they say - bad karma.

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    You do realize that you can get this exact info for free on PFW.com, right?
    Well; it's not a complete waste of money. They do offer a lot more than just this article that can be found on a free site.

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    if JOrdan leaves to the BUCS it would music to my ears

    leave the conference LAMONT!

    the last thing anyone wants to see is Lamont, Randy Moss and the raiders (they are coming to town on the 2005 sched)

    also it would suck if he was in MIA - 2x a year he can make the JETS look bad

    outside of keeping him (HAH&#33 Tampa Bay would be a BEST CASE scenario

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    Originally posted by bitonti@Feb 28 2005, 01:58 PM
    if JOrdan leaves to the BUCS it would music to my ears

    leave the conference LAMONT!

    the last thing anyone wants to see is Lamont, Randy Moss and the raiders (they are coming to town on the 2005 sched)

    also it would suck if he was in MIA - 2x a year he can make the JETS look bad

    outside of keeping him (HAH&#33 Tampa Bay would be a BEST CASE scenario
    TRUTH !!

    ... i believe it will be the raiders ... but if the bucs can jump in there ... that will be great ... NFC please ?!?


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    Originally posted by bitonti@Feb 28 2005, 01:58 PM
    if JOrdan leaves to the BUCS it would music to my ears

    leave the conference LAMONT!

    the last thing anyone wants to see is Lamont, Randy Moss and the raiders (they are coming to town on the 2005 sched)

    also it would suck if he was in MIA - 2x a year he can make the JETS look bad

    outside of keeping him (HAH&#33 Tampa Bay would be a BEST CASE scenario
    Yeah but lets not get excited about him leaving. I would be disappointed if he left, no matter what team he landed on. Even if he did jump to the Raiders I would greatly anticipate his return, so we can wreck them with Curtis.

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    Originally posted by InChadWeTrust10@Feb 28 2005, 01:47 PM
    Word from New England is that it's looking more and more like the Patriots will use a committee to fill the offensive coordinator position during the 2005 season, with head coach Bill Belichick, assistant head coach/offensive line Dante Scarnecchia, WR coach Brian Daboll and QB coach Josh McDaniels sharing the duties.

    An interesting aspect of the Patriots' hiring of ex-Dolphins assistant Joel Collier to their coaching staff is the fact that he received the title of assistant secondary coach. That indicates that Eric Mangini will continue to handle the secondary coaching duties as well as his new role as defensive coordinator.
    Sounds like NE is a mess at their coaching positions

    The loss of Weis and Crennel will be tremendous IMO. Coaching by committee, and Mangini doubling as DC and DB Coach, gotta love it!

    Go Jets, F the Pats!

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    Originally posted by suprjet+Feb 28 2005, 02:17 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (suprjet @ Feb 28 2005, 02:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-InChadWeTrust10@Feb 28 2005, 01:47 PM
    Word from New England is that it&#39;s looking more and more like the Patriots will use a committee to fill the offensive coordinator position during the 2005 season, with head coach Bill Belichick, assistant head coach/offensive line Dante Scarnecchia, WR coach Brian Daboll and QB coach Josh McDaniels sharing the duties.

    An interesting aspect of the Patriots&#39; hiring of ex-Dolphins assistant Joel Collier to their coaching staff is the fact that he received the title of assistant secondary coach. That indicates that Eric Mangini will continue to handle the secondary coaching duties as well as his new role as defensive coordinator.
    Sounds like NE is a mess at their coaching positions

    The loss of Weis and Crennel will be tremendous IMO. Coaching by committee, and Mangini doubling as DC and DB Coach, gotta love it&#33;

    Go Jets, F the Pats&#33; [/b][/quote]
    Yeah, it looks like the Pats are having an uneasy offseason. Of course you know what everybody will say, "Belichick will pull it together cause he&#39;s a genius." But this time it is looking pretty bad for the Pats, which is good news for us. No true coaching staff put together, CB Ty Law released, and the future of Tedy Bruschi in serious question.

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    Originally posted by Bullitt245@Feb 28 2005, 02:54 PM

    But this time it is looking pretty bad for the Pats, which is good news for us. No true coaching staff put together, CB Ty Law released, and the future of Tedy Bruschi in serious question.
    No "true" coaching staff put together? What does that mean?

    The Pats "elected" to go the way they went with regards to OC and DC.

    And yea, they should have kept Law and assumed his &#036;12.8 million cap hit. But you&#39;re right, they can&#39;t possibly win a Super Bowl with out him. :blink:

    You&#39;re right, the Dynasty is crumbling.

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    Originally posted by PatsFanTX+Feb 28 2005, 02:59 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (PatsFanTX @ Feb 28 2005, 02:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Bullitt245@Feb 28 2005, 02:54 PM

    But this time it is looking pretty bad for the Pats, which is good news for us. No true coaching staff put together, CB Ty Law released, and the future of Tedy Bruschi in serious question.
    No "true" coaching staff put together? What does that mean?

    The Pats "elected" to go the way they went with regards to OC and DC.

    And yea, they should have kept Law and assumed his &#036;12.8 million cap hit. But you&#39;re right, they can&#39;t possibly win a Super Bowl with out him. :blink:

    You&#39;re right, the Dynasty is crumbling. [/b][/quote]
    Yeah I know I&#39;m right. I said that this offseason is uneasy for them. Do you want to tell me it&#39;s been good? Because it definitely hasn&#39;t. A committe coaching staff to replace Weis and Crennel. If that is not a downgrade this season I&#39;d be shocked. Look, I never said that this is the end of the world. I just said that it looks bad, that&#39;s all. If you think things are looking up for them I&#39;d love to hear your argument.

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    TX, you&#39;re so freaking annoying. Anytime anything happens to the Pats you act like it was planned. Totally retarded of you to say that it was the route the pats took to get rid of both of their coordinators. that makes a hell of a lot of sense you freakin idiot

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    Originally posted by JETWEINA@Feb 28 2005, 03:09 PM
    TX, you&#39;re so freaking annoying. Anytime anything happens to the Pats you act like it was planned. Totally retarded of you to say that it was the route the pats took to get rid of both of their coordinators. that makes a hell of a lot of sense you freakin idiot
    Nice reading comprehension douchbag.

    Anybody with an ounce of football knowledge knew that the Pats would lose Weis and Crennel this year.

    They "elected" not to go with an OC and also "elected" to have Mangini continue to specifically work with the DB&#39;s.

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    Originally posted by PatsFanTX@Feb 28 2005, 03:14 PM
    Nice reading comprehension douchbag.

    Anybody with an ounce of football knowledge knew that the Pats would lose Weis and Crennel this year.

    They "elected" not to go with an OC and also "elected" to have Mangini continue to specifically work with the DB&#39;s.
    Just because they "elected" doesn&#39;t make it the right decision. How can it not be a downgrade after Weis and Crennel leaving?

    Let me ask you this, Don&#39;t you think you were better off with Weis and Crennel as your coordinators? If your answer is no it is laughable.

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    Originally posted by Bullitt245@Feb 28 2005, 03:20 PM

    Just because they "elected" doesn&#39;t make it the right decision.
    Not the right decision? Why, because they didn&#39;t conform like the other 31 teams in the NFL?

    Yep, very obvious that the Pats have made poor decisions the past few years.

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    Originally posted by PatsFanTX+Feb 28 2005, 02:14 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (PatsFanTX &#064; Feb 28 2005, 02:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-JETWEINA@Feb 28 2005, 03:09 PM
    TX, you&#39;re so freaking annoying. Anytime anything happens to the Pats you act like it was planned. Totally retarded of you to say that it was the route the pats took to get rid of both of their coordinators. that makes a hell of a lot of sense you freakin idiot
    Nice reading comprehension douchbag.

    Anybody with an ounce of football knowledge knew that the Pats would lose Weis and Crennel this year.

    They "elected" not to go with an OC and also "elected" to have Mangini continue to specifically work with the DB&#39;s. [/b][/quote]
    i don&#39;t care if NE knew 5 years ago they would lose weiss & crennel next season. your staff went from the best, to "well, we still have belichick&#33;&#33;&#33;" :lol:

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    Originally posted by PatsFanTX+Feb 28 2005, 03:26 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (PatsFanTX @ Feb 28 2005, 03:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Bullitt245@Feb 28 2005, 03:20 PM

    Just because they "elected" doesn&#39;t make it the right decision.
    Not the right decision? Why, because they didn&#39;t conform like the other 31 teams in the NFL?

    Yep, very obvious that the Pats have made poor decisions the past few years. [/b][/quote]
    Why are you dodging the question? Are they better off than last year without them?

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    Originally posted by PatsFanTX+Feb 28 2005, 02:26 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (PatsFanTX &#064; Feb 28 2005, 02:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Bullitt245@Feb 28 2005, 03:20 PM

    Just because they "elected" doesn&#39;t make it the right decision.
    Not the right decision? Why, because they didn&#39;t conform like the other 31 teams in the NFL?

    Yep, very obvious that the Pats have made poor decisions the past few years. [/b][/quote]
    hey patsfag, not for nothing but you are on a JETS fan message board. we really don&#39;t need you coming in and trolling to defend everything deragatory that is said about the pansies. that is why this is a JETS message board. we don&#39;t like the pats. and we are happy when negative things happen to them (with the exception of bruschi, that is sad). love it or leave it man, love it or leave it&#33;

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    Originally posted by jetgreen13+Feb 28 2005, 02:29 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (jetgreen13 &#064; Feb 28 2005, 02:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
    Originally posted by PatsFanTX@Feb 28 2005, 02:14 PM
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    @Feb 28 2005, 03:09 PM
    TX, you&#39;re so freaking annoying. Anytime anything happens to the Pats you act like it was planned. Totally retarded of you to say that it was the route the pats took to get rid of both of their coordinators. that makes a hell of a lot of sense you freakin idiot


    Nice reading comprehension douchbag.

    Anybody with an ounce of football knowledge knew that the Pats would lose Weis and Crennel this year.

    They "elected" not to go with an OC and also "elected" to have Mangini continue to specifically work with the DB&#39;s.
    i don&#39;t care if NE knew 5 years ago they would lose weiss & crennel next season. your staff went from the best, to "well, we still have belichick&#33;&#33;&#33;" :lol: [/b][/quote]
    come on NE tro...err fans. this thread was just starting to get good. BUMP&#33;

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    Yeah I know. TX is nowhere to be found.

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