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    Anyone read the ESPNin article about Chad and the New offense

    Anyone read the ESPNin article about the new offense effecting Chad? I don't suscribe so I'm hoping someone can give an update. It's on the web page right now.

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    Last year, from what I saw, Chad Pennington led the league in arc. The primary reason was a badly injured right shoulder that required offseason surgery in February. While some were initially worried that he could miss training camp, Pennington recently announced that his $64 million wing will be fine come July.
    It better be, because with West Coast offense guru Paul Hackett out as offensive coordinator, head coach Herm Edwards is looking for an offense emphasizing the long ball.

    "There's a lot of options [in the new offense], and a lot of those options are vertical," Edwards told Jets reporters. "You're going to miss some every once in a while and that's okay. I told [Pennington], you might not lead the league in completions. [But] I'm not going to worry about that."

    Chad Pennington, gunslinger.

    The Jets certainly have the receivers to spread the field with. In the end, it comes back to if they have a quarterback who's best suited in a Rams style of offense. Edwards' mention of completion percentage reminds of 2002, when I was working on a Pennington story for ESPN The Magazine. That year, Pennington had statistically his best season and led the Jets from a terrible start to a wild-card blowout over the Colts, and completion percentage was one of the big keys. Hackett did a study before the season showing that teams with the highest rate of completions were the most successful. That year, Pennington's completion rate was 68.9, and he averaged a career-best 7.8 yards per pass. Along the way he had 22 touchdown passes and only six -- yes, six -- interceptions.

    He finished the year as the league's hottest player. And I hadn't seen a quarterback so efficient in the West Coast offense since Brett Favre in the mid 90s.

    In the years since, Pennington's numbers have slipped some and he's been less consistent. In 2003, playing in only in 10 games due to a broken wrist, he threw 13 touchdowns and 12 picks. Last year, in 13 games, he threw 16 touchdowns and nine INTs and overcame not only his injured shoulder but hammering from the local media to lead the Jets to a wild-card win over San Diego -- a game in which he threw a deep touchdown bomb to Santana Moss and flexed his arm in celebration.

    It's clear that the Jets wanted an offense that attacked more and played it safe less -- and Mike Heimerdinger can certainly draw up a gameplan -- but I have to wonder whether Hackett was really that conservative, or if he was merely calling a game based on what his quarterback could safely deliver.

    I believe in Pennington. On my list of the game's best quarterbacks, I put him at No. 9, after Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Donovan McNabb, Favre, Daunte Culpepper, Marc Bulger, Mike Vick, and Jake Delhomme. Even last year, when he was injured, his 7.22 yards per pass was still better than those of Vick, Aaron Brooks, Drew Bledsoe -- supposed long-ball specialists.

    I think that if he's healthy, there's no reason why he can't excel in any offense around him. But still, I go back to 2002, when he was throwing touchdown passes of 40-plus yards in the playoffs; it's just that he was throwing perfectly timed short passes that became huge gains. Which style fares better over the long term? The high-percentage short pass to Richie Anderson that becomes a huge gain? Or the low-rate deep bomb to Moss?

    It'll be interesting to see if Pennington becomes a better quarterback in a new offense. It's hard to be better than his 104.2 rating three years ago.

    In the end, it depends on his health. In Pennington's five-year career, he has never played a full season. As one of my ESPN colleagues says, "They're paying him for what they think he'll do, not what he's done."


    pretty good article, its not like its going to be bombs away every pass, we'll throw deep when there's a favorable matchup, but i expect lots of 15-20 yard passes more than anything, i really can't wait to see what the new O looks like

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    Thanks for the article. Exactly what I was hoping for, this board rocks.

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    Actually I find articles like this a little more than amusing.. Hmmm was hackett conservative? Well this would be an intriguing question had Hackmeat not had a considerable track record with and prior to his tenure to with the Jets. Lets look shall we.......

    Ok he was conservative in Dallas such that he was fired by TOM Landry, the only coach ever fired by Tom by the way!!!! Then in KC the fans hated him for guess what?????? His CONSERVATIVE game plans and in game execution. Those of us who were out here on the internet can certainly recall that KC fans warned us that Hackett was going to disappoint and he didn't fail to DISAPPOINT!!!!. Oh yea, and at USC he was DISMISSED, aka FIRED for being UNIMAGINATIVE and Hmmm....Conservative. Hackett excuse that he couldn't get good players to come to USC is now seen for what it was IDIOCY.

    Oh and I don't see how allowing Chad more freedom to call plays from the line hardly consitutes a revolution on par with the toppling of Saddam!!!! The question was as Wayne stated today in the newspapers that when your mother is calling out what plays you are going to run before you do, guess what???? You are to CONSERVATIVE!!! GOOD GRIEF!!!!!!

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    that was a good read. it's always nice to find an even handed national article on our boys. no matter how hard you have to look for one. i think pennington can play. period. he will shine in dinger's offence, IMO.

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    That was a good article.

    All the weapons are in place IMO. This year we are going to find out if Pennington is worth $64M

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    A fair article. There are those concerns about his arm being strong enough to go deep. And the main knock has always been on his durability.

    If Chad is healthy the Jets will do very well, but I also think the signing of Fiedler will come to be a very wise pick-up by Bradway.

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    This article is fair, however this guy can't expect Heimerdinger to run the same offense as he did in Tennesee. Sure there are gonna be more deep balls, but Chad and McNair are very different qb's, and I think that Mike H is smart enough to realize that. My beef with Hackett wasn't his lack to throw the deep ball, but the his predictabilty of his play calling. When he ran a draw everyone knew it was coming. Even Wayne Chrebet said his mom knew what was coming. I even believe that he ran that sowell dump pass play as the 1st play of the game in our 1st 5 games.

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    its a nice article but i think pennington injury free is better than bulger and delhomme, and as passer better than vick but not as a QB

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    Quote Originally Posted by arsenal1189
    its a nice article but i think pennington injury free is better than bulger and delhomme, and as passer better than vick but not as a QB
    but he's not, thus his fair ranking. I scratched my head at first to see Penny rated lower than Delhomme and Vick, but his durability issues has really created a corner of doubters.

    I say he breaks that mold this year and is money all year, but as of now, his history is against him of remaining on the field a whole season.

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    Yeah I'd rank him higher then Jake and Bulger.

    It was a fair article imo, he stated the concerns and positives.

    He must not be from N. England.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gas2No99
    but he's not, thus his fair ranking. I scratched my head at first to see Penny rated lower than Delhomme and Vick, but his durability issues has really created a corner of doubters.

    I say he breaks that mold this year and is money all year, but as of now, his history is against him of remaining on the field a whole season.
    yeah, if u see him when he is not injured he really plays well

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    The article brings up a good point that will be answered this season. Was it all Paul Hackett's conservative offense or was Hackett playing to Pennington's strengths and weaknessess???

    I've watched almost every game Pennington has played in and personally I don't see enough arm strength for him to throw the deep ball (The touchdown to Santana in the playoffs is actually the best deep ball I've seen him throw to date).

    We will find out soon enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie Brown
    Actually I find articles like this a little more than amusing.. Hmmm was hackett conservative? Well this would be an intriguing question had Hackmeat not had a considerable track record with and prior to his tenure to with the Jets. Lets look shall we.......

    Ok he was conservative in Dallas such that he was fired by TOM Landry, the only coach ever fired by Tom by the way!!!! Then in KC the fans hated him for guess what?????? His CONSERVATIVE game plans and in game execution. Those of us who were out here on the internet can certainly recall that KC fans warned us that Hackett was going to disappoint and he didn't fail to DISAPPOINT!!!!. Oh yea, and at USC he was DISMISSED, aka FIRED for being UNIMAGINATIVE and Hmmm....Conservative. Hackett excuse that he couldn't get good players to come to USC is now seen for what it was IDIOCY.

    Oh and I don't see how allowing Chad more freedom to call plays from the line hardly consitutes a revolution on par with the toppling of Saddam!!!! The question was as Wayne stated today in the newspapers that when your mother is calling out what plays you are going to run before you do, guess what???? You are to CONSERVATIVE!!! GOOD GRIEF!!!!!!

    Yeah, that particular point in the article is just meant to play devils advocate. Hackett could not possibly have been "cursed" with qb's who could not throw the long ball EVERYWHERE he has been. Even if Penny has no long ball, you can still throw it 15 to 20 yards and even this distance was not in Hacketts gameplan. The problem with a particular team may have been personnel or lack thereof, but the problem could not be personnel or lack thereof on EVERY TEAM that this man has coached on.

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    And, Chad has been long critqued by some of our coaches for "thinking too much." If he was so smart, why not let him call his own plays? Because Hackett was too conservative and the thought of letting someone call a play other than what he called would be Hackett letting some of his control go. Seems to me if you have a smart qb, you let him call some of the shots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arsenal1189
    its a nice article but i think pennington injury free is better than bulger and delhomme, and as passer better than vick but not as a QB
    Objectively, if you asked the 32 GMs in this league, who would they rather have as quarterback on their team, Vick or Delhomme, or Penny I would put good money down that most would NOT vote for Penny. Our QB has very good potential, but his body of work thus far does not include a successful full season. He had a nice run in 2002, but hasn't followed it up yet. Both those guys are proven quarterbacks with upside at least as high as Penny's.

    I like Penny and am cautiously optimistic that he will respond with a good year in 2005, but I don't think right now you can accurately say he is a better QB than either Vick or Delhomme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Al Toon 77
    Yeah I'd rank him higher then Jake and Bulger.

    It was a fair article imo, he stated the concerns and positives.

    He must not be from N. England.
    I don't know, I would rate Jake higher....he did get his team to the Super Bowl, has had two strong seasons now, and has actually been able to play in all his team's games

    though I do LOVE Chad more than Jake..not even close I would pick him over Jake anyday

    No doubt Chat is better than Bulger though. Bulger has a strong good arm, but my goodness he throws a ton of INTs. Not sure if it is him or Martz's crazy "ah who cares" offense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crasherino
    Objectively, if you asked the 32 GMs in this league, who would they rather have as quarterback on their team, Vick or Delhomme, or Penny I would put good money down that most would NOT vote for Penny. Our QB has very good potential, but his body of work thus far does not include a successful full season. He had a nice run in 2002, but hasn't followed it up yet. Both those guys are proven quarterbacks with upside at least as high as Penny's.

    I like Penny and am cautiously optimistic that he will respond with a good year in 2005, but I don't think right now you can accurately say he is a better QB than either Vick or Delhomme.

    You know what is actually funny comparing Pennington to Michael Vick is that EVERY stastic Chad has better numbers over Vick. QB Rating, TD to INT, Comp %. The only big difference is the obvious...the rushing. If you take away Vick's great rushing skills and the ability to break tackles and you have Jeff Blake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie Brown
    Actually I find articles like this a little more than amusing.. Hmmm was hackett conservative? Well this would be an intriguing question had Hackmeat not had a considerable track record with and prior to his tenure to with the Jets. Lets look shall we.......

    Ok he was conservative in Dallas such that he was fired by TOM Landry, the only coach ever fired by Tom by the way!!!! Then in KC the fans hated him for guess what?????? His CONSERVATIVE game plans and in game execution. Those of us who were out here on the internet can certainly recall that KC fans warned us that Hackett was going to disappoint and he didn't fail to DISAPPOINT!!!!. Oh yea, and at USC he was DISMISSED, aka FIRED for being UNIMAGINATIVE and Hmmm....Conservative. Hackett excuse that he couldn't get good players to come to USC is now seen for what it was IDIOCY.

    Oh and I don't see how allowing Chad more freedom to call plays from the line hardly consitutes a revolution on par with the toppling of Saddam!!!! The question was as Wayne stated today in the newspapers that when your mother is calling out what plays you are going to run before you do, guess what???? You are to CONSERVATIVE!!! GOOD GRIEF!!!!!!
    Good Post, CB .... and it has the added benifit of being ALL TRUE

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    Here's a point I'd like to make.

    When Chad came in to relieve Vinny, the team was going through some serious issues. Thomas and Mawae were banged up, Martin had two bad ankles, our defense was getting shredded for 125+ a game on the ground alone and our wideouts couldn't get open.

    Maybe Hackett deserves some credit for this, maybe not, but the offense changed after Chad came in. Vinny was a classic, drop back styled big armed QB who needed time to set up, whereas Chad was able make quick reads at the line and made accurate throws. The line did not have to hold their blocks with Chad as long as they had to with Vinny.

    The offense found rythym and the defense benefited from not having to be on the field so long. Once Thomas and Mawae regained their health, and Martin started to find some running lanes, Chad was able to go up top to Coles, as in the Denver game.

    I think Hackett was able to call better games, since Chad was more his QB, whereas with Vinny, Hackett deserves some blame because he was not able to change or alter his gameplanning or offense to tailor to his abilites.

    I think Chad will flourish in Heimrdinger's offense, because of the versatility and it's advantages. Heimerdigner has done a great job tutoring receivers, tight ends and qbs, and he puts his players in a position to make plays. It is not rigid. The only drawback is the time it takes to learn the offense. There will be mistakes and a learning curve. it's up to Chad and the O to get learn quickly.

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